NFL COMBINE THIS WEEKEND

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NFL Combine Schedule 2014: Day-by-Day Group Events, Live Stream, More

 

NFL Combine Information

 

When: Feb. 22-25 (pre-workout activities such as interviews will begin on Feb. 19)

 

Where: Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Ind.

 

TV: NFL Network (Begins at 9 a.m. ET each day)

 

Live Stream: NFL.com Combine Live

 

Pre-Combine Schedule

 

Feb. 19-21: Exams, interviews, orientation and media

 

Position Workout Schedule

 

Feb. 22: Tight ends, offensive linemen, specialists

 

Feb. 23: Quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers

 

Feb. 24: Defensive linemen, linebackers

 

Feb. 25: Defensive backs

 

Workouts

 

  • 40-yard dash
  • Bench press
  • Vertical jump
  • Broad jump
  • 3-cone drill
  • Shuttle run

 

 

The combine’s must-see prospects

Can’t wait to see Sammy Watkins’ blazing speed? How about Jadeveon Clowney’s off-the-charts athleticism? Our analysts break down the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine’s most exciting participants. Read

 

Here is a link to all the participants:  www.nfl.com/combine/participants

 

596 comments on “NFL COMBINE THIS WEEKEND

  1. SixThree0ne on said:

    Convict,

    They were both demoted. One from LT, and the other from the starting lineup. Everybody knows LT is the premier position. I guess they could get a jury of grandmas who don’t know football and pull the “he was still starting” card, but then of course there is plenty of game film of him getting mauled at RT after his demotion.

    • Hmmm. The converse of that is saying that Martin got “promoted” in the 2013 offseason when he moved to LT. Not sure anyone used that type of language.

  2. Marinofan13 on said:

    CAN’T WAIT for the Combine!!!
    :D

  3. Marinofan13 on said:

    So if Dri Archer runs a sub 4.3 40-time, what are the chances the Raidahz over-draft him in say… Round 2?
    LOL
    :D

  4. ORob, if you’re out there this morning, as a continuation from our discussion last night, you had extra money left on the table because you’re confusing the “cap number” with actual pay. The “cap number” includes the prorated portions of his 11M bonus. He ACTUALLY did receive the 11M. Therefore his BASE salaries in year 1 and 2 (a total of 16M) + that 11M bonus equals his total guarantees.
    =
    After this season if he were cut he wouldn’t recieve another dime from the Fins. But we WOULD still have dead money cap hits to deal with.
    =
    Spotrac helps with that: http://spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/mike-wallace

    • marlins fan on said:

      yes I realized that, if they dump him next year we would have 6.6m of his bonus still on our books in dead money.

  5. D on February 18, 2014 at 10:40 am said:
    Long post on some NFL rumors i though are particularly relevant to the Phins, and gave some comments on each of them.
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    “The Ravens are in active talks with tight end Dennis Pitta, but remain “far apart” on numbers, according to sources.” – Aaron Wilson, Baltimore Sun.—-but also hear they are going to franchise him.
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    Michael Oher has probably seen his last days in Baltimore, according to the Baltimore Sun. —-He’s a guy i wouldnt throw a bunch of money at but i think id look at in FA. more for RT position though.
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    Jairus Byrd is likely to be franchised, according to NFL.com’s Gregg Rosenthal.—- I thought they franchised him last year. If so that sure is a pricey way to foce him to stay on the team. I honestly would love to have him on our team, but dont see it happening.
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    “A guy like recently-released safety Roman Harper — provided another team doesn’t spend big on him in free agency “—-this was a rumor for the Bears, but i think it applies to us as well.
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    “We have some young backs. … It’s a position we have a lot of good competition.” – John Elway on Knowshon Moreno’s free agency. —–Probably means he is an option, but with his big year last year, he is going to be pricey.
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    Ian Rapoport said that the Broncos aren’t expected to re-sign Eric Decker prior to free agency. —- Like Moreno, interesting option, but is going to be pricey.
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    “B.J. Raji and Ryan Pickett are 330-pound behemoths who might no longer fit what Green Bay wants to do.” – Ian Rapoport on the Packers allowing Raji to walk. —- a DT option in FA, i think might come in slightly less than what it would take for us to re-sign Starks, but probably slightly more than what it would take to re-sign Soliai
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    “The Packers are “pretty unlikely” to retain Jermichael Finley.” — Kinda like last year, an option for us in FA, but id rather do some sort of trade up option with our second, get back in the first and take Ebron at 19 and Martin at whatever position we trade back at, im thinking the browns second selection.
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    “Ahmad Bradshaw is unlikely to be re-signed, per ESPN Colts’ Mike Wells.” —- Cheap option at the position, busted up but might be worth kicking the tires on.
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    “The Chiefs will allow Branden Albert to walk.” – Chiefs source —-I think its particularly dumb on their part but works out nice for us if true.
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    ” Paul Soliai “really, really doesn’t want to leave” Miami, per the Miami Herald. ” —- I smell a team friendly contract coming. I know some dont like the fit of him on our team, but i think the dude is solid and is going to be A LOT harder to replace than people giving credit for. If its true it should make it actually easier to re-sign Starks as it probably will happen fast and give them a little money room to work with Starks.
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    The Miami Herald reports that it won’t be surprising if the Dolphins pursue LeGarrette Blount. —-Kind no brainer we will be looking at options in FA and draft for RB upgrade. He probably has justified a pay raise from last year, so wont be the cheapest option.
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    “Brandon Spikes’ days with the Patriots appear to be over. The leak of the late meeting was proof that someone wants him gone, and his greatest ally in Pepper Johnson is out.” – Jeff Howe, Boston Herald —–oooh, Me likey. Too bad we have expensive contracts at his position.
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    The Saints are not expected to retain center Brian De La Puente, per ESPN Saints’ Mike Triplett. —–Those with the ridiculous ideas of cutting Pouncey may want to look into this guy, he would be a decent option if for some reason hell did freeze over and you got what you think you want.
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    Mike Triplett of ESPN says there’s a strong chance Zach Strief is given a better contract elsewhere. —-Eleswhere could be Miami, though he wouldnt be a top option.
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    The Raiders are expected to reach a multi-year contract with Jared Veldheer, per ESPN’s Paul Gutierrez. —–one option down.
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    “More likely is that the Eagles will shop for mid-level free agent safeties, such as Miami’s Chris Clemons, Carolina’s Mike Mitchell or Indianapolis’ Antoine Bethea.” – Reuben Frank ——Id hate to lose Clemons. Looks like he might be harder to re-sign than i initially had thought.
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    —-Jets are ruomored on about every QB possible in FA this year….they really dont like Geno lol..
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    —-Looks like there might be a lot of interest in Jeremy Maclin, who is an interesting idea if Gibson doesn’t look good to go. I wouldn’t get into a bidding war over him with his fragile history, but if the price was right he has amazing talent.

  6. D on February 18, 2014 at 10:43 am said:
    convict
    on February 18, 2014 at 10:00 am said:
    I don’t know the detailed rules about cutting players… but are there limitations on why u can cut a player. For instance, can Martin say he is “injured”? Ad if so, do they have to reach an injury settlement vs. being just being plain cut?
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    Wells report pretty much set the tone for him to claim injury, as he said in his report the harassment cause him emotional and mental anguish and was what led to his departure. This could easily be seen as a work related injury and he would have grounds for an injury settlement.

  7. Old Dolfan on said:

    MISS GIGI:–Thanks for all you do for this site. Moving on from the Wells Report is something the organization and the fans of the organization MUST DO! – - If I NEVER see the names of Martin and Incognito on this blog again it would be OK with me.
    ———-
    TIME TO MOVE ON.
    ———-
    PS–BIG GAME between TWO Top-25 division I baseball teams tomorrow night as FAU invades UM for the next chapter of the BEST baseball rivalry in the southern half of the state. – - Next month I’m taking a day off (HERESY) and driving down to my sister’s to stay awhile and see UM play @ FAU. –I expect BOTH teams to STILL BE IN THE Top 25!!

    • I may possibly join you for that OD!! Thank you for the kind words — I am sick of all this “stuff” between those guys — wanna hear about players who can help improve this team and forget the morons who embarrassed it.

      • Old Dolfan on said:

        I’ll be in touch with you on that. –ALSO, will be working on installment #3 of “FOLLOWING PERFECTION.” –Hope to have it done in about 10-14 days or less.

  8. D on February 18, 2014 at 10:44 am said:
    Old Dolfan on February 18, 2014 at 9:59 am said:
    Goodell and the owners are focusing on concussions while THE REALLY BIG ISSUE OF PED’S AND JUICING IS CONVENIENTLY SWEPT UNDER THE RUG!!!!! – – DON’T let the NFL become another “Tour de Farce!
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    Id like to point out to Goodell that juicing probably has led to increase in concussions, and therefore is directly related to reducing the number by getting rid of juicers.

    • marlins fan on said:

      I always thought juicers were good for you?

    • To be honest, the NFL has always led the charge of all the major sports when it comes to drug testing. In fact, the NFL became the first professional sport to collectively bargain HGH testing, which, is the drug of choice these days…even though up until now the NFLPA has refused to uphold it’s end of the deal and the players have yet to submit to testing for it.
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      That said, the NFL is as tough as any major sport on PEDs, and the multiple PED suspensions that took place just this season, along with the collection of failed tests at places like Seattle is proof the NFL will not become like professional cycling.
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      Also, for OD, I respectfully disagree on retroactive testing.
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      I categorically HATE the idea of saving blood samples to play “gotcha” years after athletes retire. In my mind, that’s like saying a coach can challenge an on field ruling several plays after the ruling occurred.
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      At some point you’ve got to move on with the competition. There are Tour De Frances right now, where ALL of the top 10 riders have endured drug test failures within 2 years of their time in the tour. To administer that sort of justice fairly, every single bloodtest would need to be rerun every time there is an advancement in detection protocol, AND every time there is a positive test, and it’s just not feasible. Catch them at the time, or forever hold your peace is my position.

      • Old Dolfan on said:

        RESPECT your right to disagree. BUT I FIRMLY BELIEVE CHEATERS MUST BE EXPOSED!! – - Just the threat posed by storing blood/urine samples may dissuade a few from a life of cheating/criminal behavior. –But even if NO ONE is dissuaded, I STILL BELIEVE in the concept.
        AND – - the NFL would be able to say they are DOING MORE to stop the juicing and the extra concussions that are a product of juiced players.

        • I don’t know that there’s any empirical link between PEDs and concussions. The correlation is there, but the correlation with time is even stronger then that, and the correlation with size is. There’s a link between size and PEDs, but not all size gains can be attributed to it…see what I mean…it’s just a messy slippery slope.
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          I have to credit you though. My FIL and I talk about this all the time (he’s a cycling fan and a Dr.) and in all the years we’ve discussed this, the argument that even the threat of it would dissuade current cheaters, has never surfaced. So good point.

  9. 631,
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    I gotta bust your balls on this. The Dolphins had acquired Bryant McKinnie, who couldn’t play RT, never had. Therefore Martin accomadated the team and moved to RT. In no way was that a demotion. If he was demoted, he would have been demoted to the bench, and Clabo would have stayed at RT. Thems are the facts son! :)

    • Agreed, it’s less esteemed to play RT, but it’s not a demotion…it’s a position change. And off the top of my head, doesn’t a demotion come with a pay decrease?

      • Yeah. 631 is just venting some Teflon Jon anger. I get it. lol
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        I think the lawsuit talk got him all riled up.

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  11. D,
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    Did anyone actually ay we should CUT Pouncey? I would like to trade him, but I wouldn’t feel forced to do it though. If we don’t get the right compensation for him, screw it, he stays here. The NFL is full of lowlifes, if we have to have one for another year or two, so be it.

    • I want him off the team. His name keeps surfacing in a bad way. I do think we can still trade him but no doubt even that value has taken a hit.

  12. Here’s a sampling of who various mocksters are projecting to us. Right now it is Zach Martin in a landslide.
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    http://www.thefinsiders.com/blog/2014/2014-mock-draft-roundup-1-0?_ga=1.77413589.1918124484.1384238817

  13. D,
    Good stuff above on free agency. I feel the same as you do about many of those players, though I wouldn’t even bother kicking tires on Bradshaw…I especially like seeing what I saw on Soliai, and interestingly, just yesterday I was saying he has already taken a “hometown discount” like contract to stay, so maybe that was a possibility.

  14. Just a quick drive by as I try to work from home during another snowstorm. SMH. I see Richie was back on twitter yesterday reaching out to JMart. Just when I thought their relationship couldn’t get more ghey but it did. FWIW I think JMart viewed the switch to RT as a demotion and it kind of is. While his pay didn’t change his prospects for future pay take a nose dive if you are playing RT as opposed to LT.

    • I guess the question is, from a statutory standpoint… can a mere position change, while remaining 1st string with no pay reduction be considered a demotion? Put on your judges hat. I’m curious if you would find for that argument. The problem IMHO is precedent. Why wouldn’t ANY unwanted position change be considered a demotion in that case? How about Haynesworth in Washington…was going from a 4/3 DT to a 3/4 DT a demotion? Maybe that’s a PROmotion?

      • My point was the Martin considered it a demotion which he apparently did and from a league personnel stand point it is considered a lesser position.

        • Oh I know that. I was just putting out some food for thought there, and wondering if it matters what he thinks when it comes down to legal repercussions.

          • In terms of legal reprecussions there would be none in regards to any lawsuit I am just talking about JMart’s psyche.

      • Jahn — from a legal standpoint on the whistle blowing it really doesn’t matter cause it happened before the team became before Martin alleged the abuse.
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        It would be the teams actions re Martin after that would be put under a microscope.

        • Good point and agreed. I guess I thought the discussion started because people were discussing whether Martin has any legal recourse based on “being demoted”..but this would certainly argue the “no” side of that debate.

    • Tough to say that Ken. They were in a bind, and had to get someone. McKinnie was available, because the ravens acquired Monroe, so they rolled the dice. McKinnie couldn’t play RT, never had, so they had no choice but to play him at LT. It was only a 1 YR contract, they voided the 2nd year, so it’s hard to say Martin’s prospects of playing lT were ruined by any means. It was a temporary band aid. Then of course the meltdown happened, which changed everything forever.

      • By all accounts Martin was hypersensitive about his poor play on the field and switching to what is widely considered a lesser position undoubtedly weighed on him.

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  16. Tim Knight on said:

    Anyone else tired of the fucking snow? Just enough this morning to have to clean the cars off and have a slow shitty commute. Can’t wait for the 40s and 50s this week to start melting this shit.

  17. Ken,
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    I want pouncey off too, but why should we get screwed? If we can’t get the appropriate compensation, why should we feel forced to trade him for nothing, or cut him?

    • We should because he is a cancer. He is probably supplying team mates with drugs. He has affiliations with Hernandez and he texted about his desire to inflict bodily harm on Martin for his so called “snitching”.

      • Agreed. Freaking sad though.

      • If I could put up with Joey Porter on my team I figure I can live with Pouncey there too. Would be different if we didn’t need him so much.

        • Need shouldn’t matter is my point. He is a cancer and no one needs a cancer.

          • But it does matter because football is a business, not a philanthropy.

          • Jahn:
            Then our organization is hypocritical because it obviously doesn’t care about character players like Philbin and co. preach about.

          • You can say that I guess, but I think that’s judgemental. When we talked about GM candidates, the first name you gave me was Polian, and it was Polian who taught me (well, I listened to him on the radio) “There’s no reality in which you’re going to have a team full of choir boys. It just not feasible” even though he does champion character. Maybe the drug link is a bigger deal then I think..but aren’t we talking about smoking weed? If that’s the case, you’re going to bring in a pot smoker in his place in all likelihood (since most players are pot smokers these days) so how is that not hypocritical?

    • Tim Knight on said:

      That’s not going to happen. The void on the OL would be too much and you can’t do that to a young QB, any QB for that matter. It isn’t fair to the team.
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      Pouncey will likely get fined and have to take some classes on sensitivity and how to be a pro athlete, and not a frat party student. He’s a UFA in 2015 so we’ll likely revisit his situation then.

  18. Tim,
    If it helps at all, remember what we’re going through in CA. Drought is threatening life here. There are communities talking about trucking in water…and the problem is literally statewide in the most populous state in the union!
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    I wish we could just volunteer to take some of that precip from you guys. Wheres the weather modification technology when you need it? LOL…

    • Tim Knight on said:

      Yeah we have an abundance of water and you don’t have enough. I hope that gets corrected soon.

      • Me too man. Things getting desperate out here. It’s weird, because in 2011-2012 winter we had reservoirs overflowing, and then it goes stone dry for 2 winters…

  19. Tim Knight on said:

    Ken, replacing all 5 OL in one offseason is off the charts. It’s bad enough that we’re at most likely 4.

    • That doesn’t justify keeping a cancer. We will have 4 new OL that he can supply drugs too then and bully and threaten to beat up.

  20. Drive by over for now. Back to work.

  21. Marinofan13 on said:

    I feel we’ve had problems running the ball inside with a pulling Center. I’m with Ken in trading Pouncey… but only if we get Alex Mack to replace him.

    • There’s just not that much cap space. Pouncey is cheap. Mack is going to be quite expensive. That’s going backwards from an organizational standpoint. Are we going to sign Albert AND Mack, AND give Grimes a long term deal? Something has to give. There are certain realities at work here.

  22. finfanrob on said:

    Old Dolfan on February 18, 2014 at 11:09 am said:

    MIKE: –IF you lived down here you could go to the beach RIGHT NOW and see boobies.–But they probably wouldn’t be as good as Miss Uptons’!
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    it is snow bird time, you will more likely get this
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    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIAUnVZCUAE7dTe.jpg:large

  23. Post Wells Report, what do you guys figure we can get for Pouncey in a trade?
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    Before all this I would have said a first, with the baggage he has now I’m guessing it is more like a 3rd.

  24. Tim Knight on February 18, 2014 at 11:13 am said:

    Anyone else tired of the fucking snow? Just enough this morning to have to clean the cars off and have a slow shitty commute. Can’t wait for the 40s and 50s this week to start melting this shit.
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    Yes….ME! I was done with it weeks or even a month ago. Good news, the melting has commenced here, it’s 47 already here today. Bad news, it’s a slushy, wet and muddy mess. Going to take my car and get the layers of grime washed off. Might even drive with the windows down, just to celebrate! :)

  25. Tim Knight on said:

    I’ll believe we’ll replace all 5 of our OL when I see it. Mack isn’t going to cheap and we have every other OL position to fill, DT and Grimes.

  26. Marinofan13 on said:

    Tim,
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    Yes, I’m tired of this friggin’ snow. My car has been stuck for the last 2 days.

  27. finfanrob on said:

    Ken on February 18, 2014 at 11:27 am said:

    That doesn’t justify keeping a cancer. We will have 4 new OL that he can supply drugs too then and bully and threaten to beat up.
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    so i make sure i have this straight. we had some big meanies on the o-line that made one guy quit. it is cause the big meanies made him change his mind from being an nfl stud cause how he was treated, but it isnt possible to get 3 or 4 new linemen that are really swell guys and they cant change pouncey to be a bible thump-er.
    .

  28. finfanrob on said:

    Tim Knight on February 18, 2014 at 11:13 am said:

    Anyone else tired of the fucking snow?
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    actually no, i am not. i wouldnt mind another foot or two of it

  29. Marinofan13 on said:

    Jahndoh
    on February 18, 2014 at 11:30 am said:
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    There’s just not that much cap space. Pouncey is cheap. Mack is going to be quite expensive. That’s going backwards from an organizational standpoint. Are we going to sign Albert AND Mack, AND give Grimes a long term deal? Something has to give. There are certain realities at work here.
    ————-
    I hear that. However, there may be help/hope if we can get a 2nd for Pouncey. If we could flip that into a day 1 starter on the O-Line, it could conceivably work. And we may go after the far cheaper Anthony Collins instead of Branden Albert.
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    Nevertheless, I share your concerns about doing this.

    • And I guess there’s a chance we can get a starter with a 2nd rounder…but yeah, I have my concerns for sure.

      • A G or C taken in the 2nd better be starting caliber.

        • But the odds he’s probowl caliber are very low. That’s my concern. And to be honest, we’ve not had a lot of great success with our 2nd rounders in recent years. I think the odds of getting a year 1 starter from round two are around 50% IIRC.

          • Although I acknowledge, that a G or C odds of being a year one starter may be higher then the average.

  30. Ken is out, but can anyone tell me what the “drug” reference is specifically? I read the texts that made it seem like maybe they were all smoking dope together, but is there something in the Wells report that indicates he literally “distributing”. To be honest, the friend who splits a bag with me, is not a “distributor”. I just don’t want to rush to judgement on this issue, since it seems to be the crux of why people want to jettison our best and ONLY REMAINING offensive lineman.

    • No one can say for sure but one of the text messages had Richie asking JMart if he went back to Pouncey’s place and on learning that he did not, saying something like “good….that stuff is scary.” If it was pot it was real good pot.

      • Marinofan13 on said:

        I believe there were references to “molly” as well.

        • There was but there was some question as to whether Richie was just using a line from a rap song.

          • If they were still messed up hours later, I will assume it was Mollys, which is slang for dirty ecstasy and not hard to find. Unless there’s a specific test, I doubt it’s something the NFL test for though I would think heroin would come up positive. Guys aren’t tripping everyday so I would think it wouldn’t show up

          • Isn’t X big in the “ghey” circles….lol

          • You’re axing the wrong person

          • There’s where I can kick in…..it is. Just joking about the ghey, but those guys did have one very close and twisted relationship.

    • I recall reading Mollys, and a message where Martin was still tripping balls sent to Richie

    • Cool, thanks guys. Obviously that’s not a good thing. I don’t know what to think about it tbh. I’m not pollyanna, there’s part of me that says Pouncey is good at his job, so if he’s not affecting prep time or game play of his teammates with the extra-curricular stuff, then it’s more a nuisance then a problem. But that’s my libertarian nature, and I understand if people disagree.

  31. Tim/Herd,
    It rained yesterday, melted half the snow, today is going to hit 56°’ melt more of it. Looks as if the next 7 days we’ll be mid 40′s to mid 50′s with a 63 and rainy day on Saturday, which is good, because my mom’s sump pump out flow pipe is frozen!

  32. I’ve decided not to talk about a certain two players who shall be nameless. That said, Pouncey was implicated in some things, the drug use/supplying, not to mention his connection to Hernandez is an issue. My hope is he sees what has happened with some of his friends whose careers are over or are circling the drain and gets his shit together and focuses on football.

  33. Marinofan13 on said:

    The Associated Press ‏@AP · 1m
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    ———
    I just can’t get enough of that name… PUSSY RIOT! LOL
    :lol:

  34. M,
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    You need to turn your speakers outside and let the bass break up the ice for you. :)

  35. Marinofan13 on said:

    I’ll be back. Gonna try to free my car once again. This should be fun…

  36. Jahn,
    Every since the Free Hernandez hats, I’ve changed my tune on Pouncey. Wouldn’t cut him or trade him for nothing but I don’t see anything special either. He’s better than Satele. Personally, I would look for another C and switch him to G. The drug stuff doesn’t bother me either, though Mollys can kill your ass, and IMO Pouncey has a target on him now

    • Yeah, and I certainly am not going to bend over backwards defending those hats, or his associations in general…but I think it’s a real understatement to say “He’s better then Satele” because he’s LIGHT YEARS better then Satele. My dillemna is a technical one. I just don’t see how you ever build a championship team if you hit on a probowler in round one, and then jettison him based on hearsay about some drugs, or a poor choice in hats. The whole premise in the salary cap era is to get probowlers that don’t cost you much money.
      -
      But anyway, I’m conflicted. I guess if M13, or Dbolt, or D or Prolou can convince me there’s a 2nd round candidate who can do just as well as Pouncey, I’ll try not to throw a hissy fit if he’s traded. ;-)

    • I’d keep him, and keep an eye on him, watch him like a Diggsy Hawk! If we can trade him for a 1st RD pick, fine, even two 2nd RD picks. Otherwise, I’m not letting him go for nothing, no way. No reason to.

      • I don’t like Pouncey and did not from day 1. He’s a natural guard and better at that position but wanted to be a center for the $$$. He’s another scumbag thug recruited by Urban Meyer. I would have him on double secret probation (Animal House) and if he screws up trade his ass. Philbin is allegedly a hardass with guys of questionable character – let’s see him handle Pouncey.

        • I think Ireland wanted him to be a center, and he was a center in college the year before he left. He didn’t choose his position, the team did. I get if you don’t like him, but I don’t get why the guard thing will not go away. He’s a probowl at the Center position.

  37. Tim Knight on said:

    It’s still in the 30s here and nothing has changed. WTF!!!
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    FFR, I’m going to send you a couple of feet of snow and label them frozen lemonade and Baby Ruth bars, keep an eye out. ;)

  38. finfanrob on said:

    it sure is hypocritical to think because a lack of quality leadership martin got chased away but with quality leadership pouncey (keeping in mind it is just speculation on here about pouncey) cant change.
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  39. Marinofan13 on said:

    YAY! I freed my car! Props to whoever was wearing a “FREE M13′S CAR” hat! LOL
    :D

  40. Phelonius Phish on said:

    I guess I’m going to have to add judgmental and hypocritical to silk pantie wearin’ bunch. Why would we trade Pouncey? You think we could get more than a bag of chips for him right now? How about we rehabilitate him? You know…give a young guy a second chance? Or do y’all not find any dichotomy in sittin’ around on the board here talkin’ about smokin’ dope, poppin’ prescriptions and generally gettin’ high, while calling for Pouncey to be pilloried on the mere speculation of drug use? Puh-leeze!

  41. Marinofan13 on said:

    Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider · 2m
    Jeff Fisher on Bradford: ‘Sam’s our quarterback’: Coach reaffirms commitment to Bradford as… http://bit.ly/1m5VbPV @footballpost #NFL

  42. finfanrob on said:

    oh great, now i see i think like a PP

  43. Marinofan13 on said:

    Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout · 25s
    Wow.. RT @Ourand_SBJ: Tony Gonzalez is in; Dan Marino and Shannon Sharpe are out as part of a CBS NFL studio shakeup.
    ——-
    WHAT?!!

  44. Marinofan13 on said:

    Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz · 35s
    CBS announces that Dan Marino and Shannon Sharpe will no longer be part of its studio show. Tony Gonzalez hired to replace them.

    • Tim Knight on said:

      Wow Gonzalez is so good he’ll replace both of them? I don’t care because I rarely watch those shows anymore anyway.

  45. Phelonius Phish on said:

    Maybe Dan will join the front office now.

  46. finfanrob on said:

    ggeeeezzzeee even better. now i think like a PP and a eunuch.

  47. Marinofan13 on said:

    Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz · 37s
    To be clear, this was a CBS decision to drop Marino and Sharpe. Marino did not want to leave an attractive job.

  48. Dan Is out because of the love child thing…..Sharpe just sucks

  49. finfanrob on said:

    Phelonius Phish on February 18, 2014 at 12:25 pm said:

    Better than bein’ a dick
    *
    bully

  50. son of a son of a shula on said:

    Happy Birthday to Dion Sims

  51. finfanrob on said:

    tim,
    *
    i rarely watched them too, but when i did it was cbs. and i admit it was cause of dan and esiason. i never understood anything sharpe said. but now i wont watch it anymore.

  52. Holy crap. Dan was great at that job. That was the best sunday show in football IMHO. Shannon I could live without, but the chemistry in that crew was awesome. Why not get rid of Shannon and bring in Gonzales in his place?
    -
    Anyway, as has already been speculated, if that means Marino comes to our FO, I’d be thrilled.

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      I agree. As a matter of fact, I felt Dan was the star of the NFL Today on CBS.
      *
      And me too… I’d be THRILLED if he came back in any kind of role. Preferably in a role that can help Tanny.

  53. Dan wasn’t a very good commentator. He basically just sat there and shook his head.

  54. Jahn,
    In regards to Pouncey, I would sign Ohrnberger from the Chargers to play Center and pickup Wade Smith and Asamoah to play OG. Those are very low priced acquisitions that can play at a very did level and leave the door open for either a signing of Albert or Collins at LT. Frees up pick 1 for a Whatdver you want. If you got a second for Pouncey you could combine the 2 2nds to jump into round one for Moses and play him at RT. It would open up plenty of opportunities.

    • Thanks for the well thought out scenario. I might be able to live with that. I’m gonna be slow coming around to the idea of trading our sole remaining OL and our only probowler on the OL…but that gives me hope at least.

  55. Tim Knight on said:

    What exactly is Marino going to do in our front office, be a puppet head? Don’t we have enough fucked up power struggles to add someone else to the mix? LOL

  56. Marinofan13 on said:

    Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero · 44s
    Dan Marino is out at CBS. Here come the rumors about him rejoining the Dolphins:

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/

  57. Phelonius Phish on said:

    SB7MVP
    on February 18, 2014 at 12:36 pm said:
    because he’s a football player he should be held to higher standards.
    ====================================================
    Bullshit. Why? Because he gets paid a lot? So all of our resident recreational users would quit if they hit the lotto? What does being a football player have to do with being held to a higher standard? Is it because irrational fans worship at the alter of ephemeral fame and get their feelings hurt when their obsession turns out to be just like them? They are football players, not heroes and saints.

    • I was being a smart alec.

      • Marinofan13 on said:

        I’d love to know the origin of that term… “smart alec”.

        • From straightdope.com..which I have no idea of it’s reliability fwiw, but the narrative seems well researched:
          -
          “According to G.L. Cohen, author of Studies in Slang Part 1 (1985), the phrase smart alec(k) arose from the exploits of one Alec Hoag. A celebrated pimp, thief, and confidence man operating out of New York City in the 1840′s, Mr. Hoag, along with his wife Melinda and an accomplice known as “French Jack,” operated a con called the “panel game,” a method by which prostitutes and their pimps robbed foolish customers. See http://www.wordwizard.com/.

          A search of several of the more reliable dictionaries pretty much confirms this definition. The Oxford English Dictionary traces it to mid-1860s slang, while the American Heritage Dictionary (4th ed., 2000) and Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (16th ed., 1999) tentatively trace the etymology of the phrase to Hoag.

          The “panel game” consisted of sliding walls that would enable Mr. Hoag to sneak in whilst the mark was sleeping and steal valuables. Before Mr. Hoag, a prostitute’s accomplices would wait until the mark was asleep, then burst into the room. But the marks got wise and would block the door with a table or chair propped up under the doorknob, thinking they would then be safe from intruders. “Smart” Alec Hoag, because he never woke the victim, would be on the other side of town before the rube even knew what had happened.”

      • I also want some credit for my 12:40 reply to you:
        “Jahndoh
        on February 18, 2014 at 12:40 pm said:
        If that’s facetious it’s brilliant.”

        • sorry Jahn, I didn’t see it. I don’t usually scroll up if something hasn’t been posted within a certain time period.

    • I agree with Mr. Silk Panties. :-P

    • Tim Knight on said:

      I agree. Just like when fans expect a player to spend his entire offseason working on his craft and have no personal life. It’s not realistic. By the way I’ve never done Molly’s or Ecstasy.
      *
      Does acid, mescaline and shrooms count? LOL

  58. Jahn,
    Not saying do either or with Pouncey, but there are ways to make it work no doubt.

    • I appreciate the ray of hope. At least with a 2nd rounder, and you damn skippy better hit on it, you’re resetting the clock in getting a quality starter on a small salary.

  59. Phelonius Phish on said:

    SB – Went right over my head. Some of the earlier post were dead serious. And yes, Jahn, you get credit for catching it.

    • Go me!
      -
      SB7MVP…no worries on not seeing the reply. I was fishing for acknowledgement is all. My panties feel very silky…not a wrinkle in em! :-D

  60. Phelonius Phish on said:

    Marinofan13
    on February 18, 2014 at 12:45 pm said:
    I’d love to know the origin of that term… “smart alec”.
    =========================================
    I think it’s a euphemism for “smart ass.” Like saying dang or gosh. Or maybe it’s old Norse for “wants an ass kickin’…”

  61. Been a tough 12 months for Dan. This very well may be love child backlash. In part because it hurt his likeability factor but maybe even more so cause he was a dog with one of his co-workers at CBS. One thing to do it outside of school, but as far as the network is concerned…..

  62. The only reason I have an issue with the drug use is it can effect playing ability. Otherwise, to each their own.

  63. Marinofan13 on said:

    Jahndoh,
    *
    Thanks for that above regarding “Smart Alec”! That’s pretty cool if true!
    *
    Do you know where the term “Ponzi Scheme” comes from? One Charles Ponzi…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ponzi

  64. Tim Knight on said:

    Jahn, Elway has been running an Arena team for years and worked his way into his position now over 4-5 years. I consider Marino a former great QB and that’s where it ends for me. If he could be a another football adviser for Ross I guess that would be cool. I just don’t see what he brings to the table in any big way.

    • Knowledge of the game, the business and the people in the business. Plenty of former football people wnet on to media and back in to the business side of it. Matt Millen, and Lombardi come to mind, even though they aren’t the most shining examples of success. To be honest, I dont’ see how being an Arena football owner makes you any more prepared then being close to the game, knowing all the players an front office personnel in the league, and covering it on a daily basis for over a decade. I think you sell Marino’s work ethic, football knowledge and life successes short to be honest.

      • Ultimately, what’s made Elway succesful is not his Arena experience, it’s his competitive drive, an Marino has that in spades.

      • Tim Knight on said:

        I probably do sell him short. I just don’t get a feel for him as an NFL executive or needed.
        *
        My point about Elway and the Arena league is he has experience running a sports league franchise.

  65. Marinofan13 on said:

    Phelon,
    *
    Speaking of Old Norse… did ya know that the days of the week were named after as much? For instance, Thursday was named after Thor: Thor’s Day. Friday was named after Frey: Frey’s Day.

  66. Origin of smart alec. Has to do with a pimp and a whore. Perfect for this blog. lmao
    *
    http://mentalfloss.com/article/32046/where-did-phrase-smart-alec-come

  67. Guess I can’t use that phrase anymore

  68. finfanrob on said:

    Phelonius Phish on February 18, 2014 at 12:33 pm said:

    Pussy…
    *
    cool, so i am a dick and a pussy. ok, catch you all later, i am going to go and fuck myself

  69. MFer, which part of PA are you in again?

  70. herdfan on said:

    Marinofan13 on February 18, 2014 at 12:51 pm said:
    *
    Do you know where the term “Ponzi Scheme” comes from? One Charles Ponzi…
    *
    Yep. It was in Downton Abbey last season. lol

  71. The Flying Pig on said:

    What’s up humans
    Just landed in NYC and boy are my wings tired
    (Rim shot)
    Was Turner fired?

  72. Marinofan13 on said:

    Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero · 30s
    Things you learn reading press releases: Tony Gonzalez’s wife’s name is October.
    ————
    And October is named after Gaius Octavius

  73. Marinofan13 on said:

    We have GOT to get a KR/PR in here who can also double as a 5th WR or “Offensive Weapon”, if you will. Besides Dri Archer, thoughts?

    • Tim Knight on said:

      Unfortunately we have too many core issues that I’m not even focused on the luxuries.

      • Marinofan13 on said:

        Special Teams is 1/3 of the game, though. If we could find a brilliant KR/PR in the late rounds, Tanny and company will be facing really good field position.

        • Tim Knight on said:

          But STs are not about just are a return man. I guess what I’m saying is we could bring in UDFAs to push Thigpen.

    • Wyoming85 on said:

      Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
      I’m still looking but I could have swore he returned punts and kicks

  74. In terms of Pouncey using and/or supplying drugs to the team. I really don’t care personally if they use. The problem is the league cares and that can lead to suspensions and on the field issues. I didn’t make the rules for the NFL but to the extent those rules exist then best not to have a drug using OC on the roster who is supplying others on the team as well.

  75. The other thing about Pouncey is that he may have been a pro bowler this year but I think he is overrated. He pulls very well but he gets beat at the point of attack way too often imo. I don’t think he is light years better than Satele as Jahn said. I think Pouncey has been very overrated.

    • Jahndoh on said:

      I think that’s ridiculous, but I love ya and support your right to your opinion. Being in Raider territory, I have continued to follow Satele’s career more then most here, and the dude isn’t even in the same ballpark as Pouncy. JMHO.

      • I think Pouncey is significantly overrated. He pulls well. He does not block well at the point of attack. He has been getting man handled at the POA way too often. I just don’t think Pouncy is that good. He is alright but we can do better. Problem we have so many needs on the OL.

        • Jahndoh on said:

          Criticism is cheap and easy. Showing me where on any level Sam Satele is comparable is the hard part. We pick apart #1 overall draft picks every single year.
          -
          You’re killing me Ken. I think this is freakin’ witchhunt ridiculousness.

    • stanger on said:

      Maybe they can trade Pouncey and bring Satele back. From what I read he’s a likely cap cut and, unlike before, now he would fit the scheme.

      • Jahndoh on said:

        OMG…you guys are killing me. I defended him to Randy when he was here, but the fact is: The dude’s just not very good. He’s adequate. There’s not a single skill in his toolbox that is even comparable to Pouncey.

  76. Marinofan13 on said:

    Ken,
    *

    Marinofan13 on February 18, 2014 at 11:28 am said:
    *

    I feel we’ve had problems running the ball inside with a pulling Center. I’m with Ken in trading Pouncey… but only if we get Alex Mack to replace him.

  77. Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 27h

    To @davehydesports then tell me what makes Marino more qualified for this title & role over say Jason Taylor other than your QB obsession

  78. Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 27h

    Want a name? Don Shula has been the vice chairman of the Dolphins’ directors board since Steve Ross got there. What do names mean? NOTHING!

    • stanger on said:

      He’s got a point. They could name Marino “Assistant GM for player development” but the real question would be exactly what he does and how many days a week he’s at Davie.

  79. Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 27h

    RT @chrisdevlin7700 what makes Jason Taylor a better candidate for exec position than Marino? > less removed from TODAY’S NFL locker room

  80. Marinofan13 on said:

    Tim Knight
    on February 18, 2014 at 1:41 pm said:
    *
    But STs are not about just are a return man. I guess what I’m saying is we could bring in UDFAs to push Thigpen.
    ———-
    I agree with that… that STs aren’t all about the return man. I guess I’d be trying to get some good ST players via UDFA and target a STUD KR/PR late in the Draft. We’re on the same page, I’d just address it as the KR/PR as the priority over the ST blockers.

  81. Jahndoh on said:

    M13, could you brush off some Sam Satele vs. Pouncey PFF numbers for me? There’s some insanity going on here right now. LMAO…

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      Will do. But in the meantime, I already agree with ya… even as much as I LUV my former Hawaiian.

      • Jahndoh on said:

        You know I feel the same. But there’s this little thing called reality to deal with…lol….

    • I concurred he is better than Satele just not the light years that you said he is. I don’t want Satele back either. Ideally you would get Mack but not sure you can land him and a quality LT in FA. It’s possible. We have a lot of cap room but probably means we don’t add a DT or resign one of our 2 DTs hitting the market.

      • stanger on said:

        Satele would not cost that much. He’s got a $4 mil bas next year but still mentioned as a likely cap cut.

        • I don’t want Satele but I don’t want Pouncy either for multiple reasons. He is a cancer and he is not that good.

          • stanger on said:

            And if you start with that you start looking at options other than Pouncey. Not as strong as you on it, but key thing is what we can get for him.

    • stanger on said:

      Jahn — don’t think anyone was saying Satele is better than Pouncey. At the same time if you get a 2nd for Pouncey (even if that is the high side) and sign Satele on the cheap after it is over………it is more than about one versus the other.

      • Jahndoh on said:

        Saying he’s even comparable is insanity Stanger. There’s no way to rationalize it as anything else. Pouncey is literally better in every single way. I can’t think of one single thing Sam does or has ever done, better then Pouncey, not one single thing. I’m not trying to be bombastic, I’m trying to say, when a guy is better then another gut in every single way, he’s LIGHT YEARS better. And yes, Pouncey is light years better then Sam Satele. Criticism of Pouncey rings hollow to me coming from a guy who insists he’s a team cancer. I love Ken but I don’t trust him to be rational about Pouncey’s on field play given how he feels about the guy in general.

        • stanger on said:

          Who even said they were comparable? What I was comparing was Pouncey versus Satele and say two mil more in salary plus whoever we would get for a 2nd round pick. Not so sure it is as clear cut then.

          • Jahndoh on said:

            I’m not gonna debate on semantics. People said what they said, I’m saying what I’m saying. It’s nothing more then that.

          • stanger on said:

            It ain’t semantics Jahn….it’s what I said, which is why you get back “Who said…” replies. Agree with all of your points, except for arguing against non-presented points.

  82. Marinofan13 on said:

    2013 PFF rankings…
    *
    Pouncey was the #13 overall C, Satele was #31
    *
    Pouncey was the #1 Pass-Blocking C, Satele was #18
    *
    Pouncey was the #21 Run-Blocking C, Satele was #35 (dead last)

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      Alex Mack was the #4 Overall C, #5 Pass-Blocking C, and #5 Run-Blocking C.

      • Jahndoh on said:

        Good argument for Mack. What’s he gonna cost? It’s crazy. We’d BETTER get at least a quality starting Guard with the draft compensation if that’s gonna work, and at least two quality OL starters in the draft in general. That would STILL require at least one more high tier FA signing at tackle, and a prayer that Dallas Thomas can start somewhere on that line.

    • Jahndoh on said:

      Light. Years. Cue the pooh-poohing of PFF, but there’s too much dichotomy to ignore the differences.

  83. Jahndoh
    on February 18, 2014 at 11:00 am said:
    Agreed, it’s less esteemed to play RT, but it’s not a demotion…it’s a position change. And off the top of my head, doesn’t a demotion come with a pay decrease?
    ——————————————————————-
    To a person clinically depressed, looking at them wrong could be deemed as a demotion. I def agree on y’alls assessment, but i think to him it was further evidence he would “never be good enough” or “couldnt live up to expectations”. I wouldn’t doubt too that the tension cause by Ireland pretty much forcing him on Philbin probably was perceived in some way like this by him as well.

  84. Jahndoh on February 18, 2014 at 1:45 pm said:

    OMG…you guys are killing me. I defended him to Randy when he was here, but the fact is: The dude’s just not very good. He’s adequate. There’s not a single skill in his toolbox that is even comparable to Pouncey.
    ***
    ***
    AH-HA!!!! I KNEW IT!

  85. What about this twist on the Martin going back to RT thing? Given his mental state as many assume it to have been….wouldn’t it have been a relief to go to a position where the expectations would be lowered, and he was going to get less scrutiny? Wouldn’t that be a good thing at that point in Martin’s mind?

  86. Old Dolfan on said:

    PIGGY; HOPE YOU had a good time in the Sunshine State.—NOT leaving any little piglets behind, are you?? –OOOPS, forgot, you are married!!

  87. Marinofan13 on said:

    We just can’t seem to run inside with Pouncey as our Center. I’d rather have him play at Guard… but if we can get a 2nd Rounder by trading him and get ALEX MACK (Randy’s man-crush) in here, I’d do it in a heart-beat.

  88. As for Mack, he will be expensive, im not sure how Pouncey’s contract was worked up, if it was front loaded or back loaded, but if it was the latter he could possibly be clsing in on the most expensive year of his contract. Mack will most likely be in a 5-6mil a year range, as thats about tops for interior line. I dont think the number between Pouncey, who was a first rounder with a first rounder contract) will be excessively different. My issue would be that he an Tanny have played together for a while, and have a bond, i wouldn’t risk changing a Center right now. I am def not on the cut him or even the trade him camp. To be honest i think he is a follower and i think minus Incognito, if the right guy comes in and takes over the leadership of that OL, Pouncey is going to fall in line withhim. I don’t know about the supplying with drugs thing so that doesn’t come into my judgement, but if proof of that came forward it would of course change mine, and im sure a lot of people here’s opinions.

  89. Jahn:
    My criticism of Pouncy pre-dates any of this Martin Incognito b.s. and report. I saw from last year and early on this year that he is getting man handled at the POA and had been posted about that well before any of this non sense broke. Not that this non sense doesn’t boot strap some of my previous opinions of his play. In fact his drug use may account for his inconsistent play on the field.

    • stanger on said:

      And regardless whether it makes sense, it’s at least good to explore the options in case you……sorry Ross…..decides to exile Pouncey.

    • Jahndoh on said:

      No offense, but you’re overly critical of college QBs and all offensive lineman IMHO. I don’t trust what you saw of Pouncey because it doesn’t jive with what I saw. I’m not trying to start a war here, I got Stanger arguing about who said what above, but I’m gonna say my piece. I said Pouncey is light years better then Satele and you said he’s not. We can argue semantics about what light years means, but its as simple as this. Pouncey is far superior in ever single facet of the game.

      • Overly critical of college QBs? What because I disagree with you on Manziel? Overly critical of all OL when I am banging the drum to draft Martin and sign Albert? I think you have a selective memory. There are many OL I like and many college QBs I like. My point on college QBs is that I don’t think the last 2 drafts had the level of talent that the 2012 draft had at the position.

        • Jahndoh on said:

          I laid out the College QB thing before. It goes way beyond Manziel, and goes back multiple drafts. Same with the OL history. This is getting out of hand, and I’m not in the mood for it. Have at it. Bash away, jenny craig brigade in full effect.

  90. Dbolt on February 18, 2014 at 12:30 pm said:
    Dan Is out because of the love child thing…..Sharpe just sucks
    ———————————————————–
    He also talks to hear himself talk…..i really don’t care much for him.

  91. Marinofan13 on said:

    “Pouncey trade scenario”…
    *
    Albert (or Collins)- Zack Martin- Alex Mack- David Yankey OR Xavier Su’a-Filo- Billy Turner OR James Hurst

    • That would be a young but promising OL. No doubt there would be growing pains but it would be better than the crap we put out at OL in the last couple of years.

  92. Jahn,
    I reserve the right to deny it if this goes to litigation, but I agree with you. Actually, Satele and Pouncey are similar players….they’re both weak at the point of attack and their best asset is their agility. But, I think Pouncey is a better overall athlete…maybe not leaps and bounds…but better. I do think from what I’ve seen that Satele has improved his strength since he was here though…still not what I’d like but better than he was here.
    ***
    Bottom line for me is that we’re not getting rid of Pouncey, so all this is just chatter. If anything, they’ll draft a center to take over for him in the future if they truly feel he needs to go eventually. And, I would seriously doubt he’d bring more than a 3rd in a trade anyway. I still don’t know how the hell he got voted into the pro bowl.

    • Jahndoh on said:

      What have you seen? Because I saw him play his whole tenure in Oakland, and I never saw him impress more then he did his first year in Miami. I just think the guy started out as adequate, and never got better.
      -
      But don’t worry, I won’t quote you in a courtroom. :-)

    • The first paragraph is exactly the point I was making to Jahn. Thank you Randy our resident OL guru. As for the 2nd paragraph we are probably not going to get rid of Pouncy but I think we should as I do believe he is a cancer but this the NFL and it allows cancers to spread.

      • Jahndoh on said:

        OK, it’s all rationalizing to me. But like I said, I support your right to your opinion. Fact is, Randy just doesn’t want to agree with me TOO MUCH. So he won’t agree that Pouncey’s light years better. But I repeat, when a player is better in every single facet of the game. He’s light years better. Anyway, I’m the one who said light years, so why are we arguing over what it means again? LOL…you guys have at it. I think you’re just hating on an OL again. We’ll get back to the rookie QB class soon enough.

        • stanger on said:

          Jahn — think Ken has been straight up from the start that he was making a moral and not football stance on this.

          • Jahndoh on said:

            I’m not sure where I said anything to the contrary, but Ken can speak for himself can’t he? There’s PLENTY of football discussion that’s taken place about Pouncey, it’s gone way beyond ethics.

          • stanger on said:

            That only came towards the end…….and even if he argued against this being about football to start with maybe having a low opinion of Pouncey is why he went that way……but like you said he can speak for himself.

          • Jahndoh on said:

            1:36PM, his second post since his return. We’ve been at for almost an hour since the football talk started. Though I’m unsure why we’re having this discussion since I never claimed it was one vs. the other in any way shape of form.

          • stanger on said:

            Right and he first put out that we shouldn’t have a thug like Pouncey on the team hours before that…..

          • Jahndoh on said:

            so tell me again why you’re choosing to argue with me about this Stanger? It makes no sense. I made no stance on what Ken’s exact objections were, I merely continued a discussion that organically surfaced. What’s the deal dude?

          • stanger on said:

            Jahn — only that you seem to be thinking people (including me) are saying things that they haven’t. Simple as that.

    • stanger on said:

      Was my line to start with Randy — wouldn’t trade him for the third I think he’d bring but I might for a 2nd. At the same time, Ross and/or Philbin may be looking at cleaning away the mess more than trade value.

    • former 1st, and current pro bowler, whose previous year was better than his pro-bowl one….you would at least get a second from a team high in the second. You could potentially get a low first out of somebody if you found the right trade partner, however generally speaking teams will draft a center and bring him up and then try to keep him. For reasons i stated above and for reasons we should at least try to work out the problems with Pouncey. Getting rid of the center your QB is bonded with, is bad.

  93. Ken,
    OH! So, me telling you from the day he was drafted that he was weak at the point of attack just wasn’t good enough, eh? You HAD to see it for yourself before you believed it, huh? Jesus…it’s like you don’t give a shit what I say. That hurts man…that hurts.

  94. Jahn,
    I didn’t mean he’s good…I just think Satele has improved his strength since he was here. I watched him play a handful of games in Indy, and he wasn’t getting pushed around as much as I remember it happening here..but that isn’t saying much. lol

    • Jahndoh on said:

      He was playing against a couple really good DTs when he was here fwiw. But that’s fine, we all see what we see.

  95. stanger,
    anything is possible…but I think it would make more sense to give Pouncey a chance to show that he wants to be here and be a professional. He’s got one more year on his rookie contract(he’s a cheap player for his talent level at this point)…I don’t see them letting him go until that is up at least. But, I would bet they are gonna use this against him in any future contract negotiations. Pouncey might also wanna just say F-it and find a new team to play on too.

    • stanger on said:

      Think that the most likely scenario too, even if it gets a bit tricky cause the Phins have an option year on Pouncey that they have to decide whether or not to pull the trigger on. If not…..then he’s got one year left. And one impression from this I’ve gotten on the other side is that this whole thing has sickened our owner.

  96. Jahndoh on February 18, 2014 at 2:17 pm said:

    I laid out the College QB thing before. It goes way beyond Manziel, and goes back multiple drafts. Same with the OL history. This is getting out of hand, and I’m not in the mood for it. Have at it. Bash away, jenny craig brigade in full effect.
    _____________________________________________________
    I am really not bashing anything but Pouncy’s character and maybe his play a little bit. But in terms of QBs sorry I am probably the biggest apologist for most of the young QBs in the league and coming into the league. I don’t get where that comes from and I have no clue where you are saying I bash OL with the exception of Pouncy and well the guys that gave up a league high 58 sacks on our roster. There are plenty of guys I like at both QB and OL. Maybe not enamored with the guys on our roster but there are a lot of guys out there that I think can help our roster.

    • Jahndoh on said:

      I’m going to move on. I can tell you all the reasons I have for what I think of your judgement on OL and QBs, but I don’t see how that’s going to be productive. It wasn’t personal. We all have to decide who’s assessments we agree with and who’s we don’t. And on those two positions, I have found myself disagreeing with you in the past. That’s all.

  97. Jahn,
    I’m not sure what you mean about Satele playing against a couple good DTs while he was here. Hey…the bottom line is that Satele has carved out a nice career for himself in the NFL…and none of us can take that away from him.

  98. Tim Knight on said:

    Has anyone discussed Pouncey recently?

  99. D,
    This is just my opinion b/c none of us know for certain what “Player A” can bring in a trade. I just find it hard to believe a team would give a 1st round pick for a Center. Teams can find pro bowl centers in the 2nd round if that’s what they want. Pouncey isn’t THAT good a player…maybe if he was voted all-pro 5 years in a row…but pro bowls are just beauty/name recognition contests(lots of players admit they don’t even know the guys they’re voting for)….and he doesn’t play a premium position. Now I want to trade him just to see what we could get. lol

  100. Jahn,
    B/c Satele played against a LOT of DTs while he was here. What 2 are you referring to?

  101. Alright. Snow has let up. Time to fire up the blower and grab a shovel. I am out. Peace.

  102. Jahndoh on said:

    “Jahn — only that you seem to be thinking people (including me) are saying things that they haven’t. Simple as that.”
    -
    Since I don’t know what you think I’m thinking, kinda doesn’t seem so simple. But whatever…

    • Jahndoh on said:

      You know, I coulda skipped that post. Sorry Stanger. I’m not following you so well on whatever this issue is, but I still love ya.

      • stanger on said:

        And I love you too. I put my nose in to try for peace and understanding too much sometimes. Just seemed maybe you hadn’t read where Ken was pretty much admitting he knew it wasn’t about on-the-field moves, but something more.

        • Jahndoh on said:

          I did understand that. And I did read his orginal posts. I was just taking a side on a discussion that derived when he disagreed with me about Pouncey being light years better. I don’t think it was contentious. I usually agree with Ken, but he’s one of the few I feel safe disagreeing with too, it was healthy debate, not fighting. I know he’s gone, but I think he’d agree with that.
          -
          I think the source of some of this was when he said he disagreed with me, and you replied with something about signing Satele (arrested himself in HI after we scuttled him) and I said they aren’t comparable. I get that you weren’t saying they were FWIW….hope that clears up any misunderstanding.

    • stanger on said:

      Jahn — but I’ve explained in detail. Not sure what else I can do, but it’s not really a big deal. And hey…….I don’t think we should get of Pouncey either unless we get a 2nd for him. Then I would consider, or at least not have a strong opinion.

  103. Jahn,
    I think maybe I read “couple” literally…and you meant it in more of a general sense. I’m just stupid.
    ***
    I’m out fellas.

    • Jahndoh on said:

      No, I replied with two names! I just needed some time to remember them! LOL..malted hops and bong resin!

  104. Marinofan13 on said:

    My MAIN focus on the running game is about Pouncey not being able to anchor… like say a Justin Grove could. He’s a puller like Justin Smiley, not a mauler or pusher.
    *
    COULD THAT BE a reason why we so seldom ran a QB sneak? I mean, why did Sherman always run outside on 4th and short? I do NOT believe Sherman was an idiot (perhaps a bit out of touch, that’s all), but there was a method for his madness.
    *
    I say trade Pouncey if he won’t convert to Guard (which he won’t). There is a VERY dark cloud surrounding him, both ON and OFF the field. JMO

    • Jahndoh on said:

      Good point on the QB sneak. I don’t deny that Pouncey’s biggest area for improvement is at the point of attack. But in a zone scheme, that’s where you want the biggest room for improvement, while you want him to excel at pulling, pass pro etc…
      -
      I think he’s average at the POA…nothing more, nothing less. But he’s well above average at everything else, and altogether, that’s a pretty good package. Nobody’s helping me out here, but am I the only one who feels this way about Pouncey? Is the bullying stuff rendering the football discussion moot?

      • Marinofan13 on said:

        I’m just looking at how our running game has regressed as a whole ever since we drafted Pouncey… as our CENTER. I just don’t like the idea of a pulling Center, but that’s just me.
        *
        I think Pouncey has GREAT value (yes, even to us), but I’d like to see him move to Guard (he’d be DAMNED GOOD!) and relinquish the Center position to a guy who can anchor. Again, that’s just me and my football $.02.

        • Jahndoh on said:

          That makes sense, and maybe wins me over to the idea a little bit. But I still wonder if moving a probowler in hopes he’ll be “better” in another position doesn’t sound like a fool’s errand.

          • Marinofan13 on said:

            I don’t think Pouncey would be willing to do it. He made it clear that he’s a Center and not a Guard… though he was a better Guard than Center at Florida.

          • Jahndoh on said:

            I maybe wasn’t paying attention where he made that clear? Did he make public comments? FWIW, I think employees within reason, and statute, are required to do what their employer asks of them. If he’s not willing to do that then maybe he is such a bad apple we have to let a probowler go. I guess I’m reluctant to think that’s the case, because I don’t want to let a probowler we drafted (this is how I believe great teams get built btw, through the draft) get away.

  105. Tim Knight on said:

    I saw a salt truck today with a big sign that said “spreading, keep back”. LOL

  106. Marinofan13 on said:

    Rhino and I talked about the O-Line in GREAT detail a year or two ago. There’s no ONE “right” answer, but there are wrong answers.
    *
    IMO, one should have a stout, anchoring Center (who can also be a fluid blocker in the ZBS). Chris Myers of the Texans is the model Center for what we’re trying to do.
    *
    Now, ya want two Guards who can pull to a greater degree. The lesser puller and more solid Run-Blocker goes to RG, the greater puller and more solid Pass-Protector goes to LG.
    *
    Finally (and most importantly), you want Tackles who are fluid as well in the ZBS. Ideally, you want BOTH to be able to pass-protect… especially now that the LDEs are getting faster and faster (see Cam Wake). The better Pass-Protector goes to LT (OBVIOUSLY! And for a right-handed QB, of course), the lesser goes to RT. And ideally, the RT can Run-Block very well to augment your Run-Blocking RG.
    *
    That’s just how I’d assemble an O-Line for the ZBS. Yes… I’m adding some elements of SMASHMOUTH to the ZBS, but ALL, ALL players must be able to be fluid with their hips and feet and be “athletic”. My Center MUST be able to anchor with no questions asked, as that opens up my pulling Guards to do their thang. I’ve gotta work this thing from the “inside out”, and also “outside in”.
    *
    I’ve gotta have a “symmetrical” O-Line where I can run plays in ANY direction (east or west, north or south). It starts with a Center who can anchor… but that’s just me, y’all.

  107. Jahndoh
    on February 18, 2014 at 2:45 pm said:
    Good point on the QB sneak. I don’t deny that Pouncey’s biggest area for improvement is at the point of attack. But in a zone scheme, that’s where you want the biggest room for improvement, while you want him to excel at pulling, pass pro etc…
    -
    I think he’s average at the POA…nothing more, nothing less. But he’s well above average at everything else, and altogether, that’s a pretty good package. Nobody’s helping me out here, but am I the only one who feels this way about Pouncey? Is the bullying stuff rendering the football discussion moot?
    ——————————————–
    I have been supportive of the play that Pouncey brings. I don’t think we find a better C, for our team, in FA or in the draft. I dont tink he should convert to OG, because he is a damn fine OC. I agree partially with Ken about chatacter concerns and not wanting a “cancer” on our team, Ken and i just differ on the him being a lost cause or not. I think he straightens up and this is all moot. For our scheme, Mack and he probably on equal footing, Mack a little less in pass protection, but a little more in run blocking. WCO doesn’t live off run up the gut, and QB sneaks are not a necessity, and somewhat dangerous for the QB, so i don’t weight that in at all. Guy is already playing at a really high level and hasnt even hit his peak years. If we can just get him straightened out, he is someone you do not want to replace at this time.

  108. Marinofan13 on said:

    For whatever it may be worth, Chris Myers (who I cited above) was PFF’s #2 Run-Blocking Center. Yes… it’s nice to have a Center who can anchor in the ZBS. Just sayin’…

  109. Tim Knight on said:

    M13, Chris Myers is an undersized center who along with the rest of the HOU OL relies on movement and counter plays, not stoutness and power at the POA. I think our issues have been at guard not being able to get out to the 2nd level quicker.

  110. Marinofan13 on said:

    Tim,
    *
    Don’t let “size” deceive ya. Soliai was our worst run-stopper last year.

  111. Tim Knight on said:

    I think the Texans OL has been built for the ZBS since 06 and we just started in 2012 and never brought in the right type of guards. I think it has more to do with that then Pouncey. Just like you always say that our guards were better suited in a smashmouth system due to their size when they’re not that good at that either. Guards are very important in the run game. We lack athleticism.

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      I can’t deny ya there regarding our Guards (Incognito and Jerry)! I’m with ya, man.
      *
      Still, I feel Pouncey can’t anchor. If we get two TRUE ZBS Guards, we’ll have 3 pullers on the interior O-Line. Not sure I like it. Gotta have an anchor, IMO.

  112. Tim Knight on said:

    M13, I’m pretty sure just about any team that runs a ZBS would like Pouncey at C.

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      As I peer over the metrics, I’m not so sure. Perhaps… but I’m not so sure.

      • Tim Knight on said:

        The center’s job on most runs plays is to get to the 2nd level – block a LB, the ZBS is a lateral scheme, not a POA scheme.

        • Marinofan13 on said:

          It’s crazy to me how Chris Myers and Mike Pouncey are POLAR OPPOSITES.

          • Tim Knight on said:

            I don’t see it that way at all. They play the same way. I’m not sure what you mean by a C anchoring in a ZBS. Myers gets out to the 2nd level to attack LBs too.
            *
            In a man blocking system you need a C who can handle big NTs and DTs, that’s why we traded Satele and signed Grove – he had better strength numbers.

  113. Marinofan13 on said:

    James Walker ‏@JamesWalkerNFL · 34s
    RT @MikeWellsNFL: Fleener: Jonathan Martin would be great teammate http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/4063/fleener-on-martin-he-would-be-a-great-teammate …”-Should #Dolphins jump at chance to trade w/Indy?

    • Al in MIA on said:

      Fleener slipped my mind, but that’s another former college teammate on the same unit as he was (offense).

    • stanger on said:

      They need one more team interested to get anything out of him, but they’d probably be willing to let him go for nothing so long as the next team just took over his contract. Would be in their best interest though if he asked for a trade or release……and reports are the Phins will be meeting with his people at the combine.

    • Brian in NY on said:

      That’s a likely partner, with Pep Hamilton being there now.

  114. stanger on said:

    “I told the men that if you have one foot in the past and one foot in the future that you’re likely to crap all over today”
    – Pirate manager Clint Hurdle’s opening line to the team at spring training.

  115. Al in MIA on said:

    Time to sing a song.
    MIAMIS GOT THE DOLPHINS ..
    THE WORST OLINE EVER SEEN!
    THEY BLOW THEIR BLOCKS FROM GOAL TO GOAL, LIKE NO ONES EVER SEEN!
    THEYRE ON THE GROUND THEIR OUT OF PLACE, THEIR NEVER IN THEIR ZONE
    AND WHEN YOU TALK MIAMI !
    YOUR TALKING TOILET OLINE!
    CAUSE WERE the
    MIAMI DOLPHINS!
    MIAMI DOLPHINS!
    THE WORST OLINE EVER SEEN!……..

  116. Al in MIA on said:

    Regarding the report that the Fins may be interested in Blount, what about Hickey being part of the front office that claimed him off waivers but then traded him to NE for a 7th round pick? I know Doug Martin kind of forced their hand on his TB departure but none the less, they still drafted Martin with Blount already on the roster so they must have seen some limitations.

    • Old Dolfan on said:

      AL; If I’ve got Blount but I have a chance for Doug Martin I take that chance.–Doesn’t necessarily mean Blount can’t play. –Blount sure as hell would be a significant upgrade over DT3 in MHO.

    • Blount is another guy with character issues. I don’t see us adding him in light of all that has gone on with us of late.

  117. Old Dolfan on said:

    MF-13; Would “Chris Myers” be the first sports reporter to double as a starting center in the NFL??

  118. finfanrob on said:

    The Flying Pig on February 18, 2014 at 3:22 pm said:

    https://twitter.com/miamidolphins/status/435870585239789568
    *
    wasnt he like the 3rd or 4th best coach in team history?

  119. Al in MIA on said:

    MF13,
    I KNOW YOU WILL BE EAGER TO SEE YOUR BOY DE LARRY WEBSTER (BLOOMSBURG)
    IM GOING TO BE EAGER TO SEE DE HOWARD JONES (SHEPARD U).

  120. Drive way and walkway are clear. Back at it. Where’s Jahn? JKLOL. Jahn, I agree it was just all a debate, nothing more. I never took offense.

  121. Al in MIA on said:

    OD,
    My issue with Blount is this, he performed under ‘best case’ scenario in NE with their OL and QB threat. He will not see the same results here. For the price, I woiuld rather draft someone whos cheaper and can do the same shit.

    • Agree. I would much prefer a draft choice at RB other than take a chance on a guy who has had character issues and really has performed in a best case scenario.

      • Old Dolfan on said:

        AL and KEN: I saw Blount play in Tampa Bay —and he performed very well for a shitty Bucs’ team. NOT saying we should take him in preference to a draft choice. BUT, if the price is right, I’d sure as hell kick the tires and give him a serious look.

        • stanger on said:

          OD — I just like how Blount runs for a big guy. Not sure how well he fits in the zone scheme, but we’d have our goal line back for sure.

  122. Marinofan13 on said:

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly · 6m
    To @TheSportsBros have you noticed how government/police can not track or find you on surveillance videos? VERY HELPFUL & DISTURBING
    ——
    HUH???

  123. Al in MIA on said:

    MF13,
    Not sure what Soliai’s deal was but he didn’t seem the same after the Colts tried to chop block him (no call on the play but he looked like he got a strain of some sort…He stayed in the game but then he was blocked again low on teh same leg later in the game in a similar fashion and he went down to injury and left with injury for a bit).

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      You could be correct. We’ll see if we’re interested in bringing him back with that in mind.

      • Jahndoh on said:

        Given the revelation today that he really wants to stay in Miami, I am starting to think he’ll be back. I question the metric if he graded out as our worst run defender. Even if it meant only at DT. He’s better at it then Odrick is IMO. But he’s way better at it then either of the ends.
        -
        I do remember the incident when he was rolled up. That could certainly affect a guy that big in a negative way if there was an injury there.

        • Al in MIA on said:

          I think other big namer NT being available also hurts the price that his agent can command so maybe it works out for Miami :)

  124. Old Dolfan on said:

    FINFANROB; My dear Lutz brother–Ya, Shula sucked!!–Ireland was a far better GM and both Sparano and Philbin rank well ahead of Shula in the coaching department.
    ———-
    SERIOUSLY; With the addition of Paul Warfield to the 1969 Dolphins squad, Shula turned a 3-11-1 team into a 10-4 Playoff team IN ONE YEAR!!! – - Shula EXPECTED big improvement IN ONE SEASON. –He “Talked the Talk” and “Walked the Walk!” The following season, Shula’s second, started a run of three consecutive Super Bowl appearances for The Don of Miami. –In all, Shula would appear as head coach in 6 of the first 19 Super Bowls.

  125. Tim Knight on said:

    Al, you went to school to be a shepherd? Oh wait never mind, you look like Jesus.
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-thu_0HNCNNw/Tc_9qUJNBXI/AAAAAAAABKY/OX9nuCilyJw/s1600/jesus_shepherd.jpg

    • Al in MIA on said:

      LOL.
      PA has got some funny city names…Used to drive by Bethlehem on the way to the Poconos lol. There was also Nazareth just a little north of Bethlehem…who can forget about Jim Thorpe, PA (town got its name from the real Jim Thorpe to market itself or something?)
      Then going further north you get New Moscow just near Scranton .
      Then again, you have Buttzville, NJ so …whatever :P

  126. Marinofan13 on said:

    Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna · 2m
    Breaking: DeAngelo Hall has resigned with the Washington Redskins.
    ——-
    LOL, I think she meant re-signed.

    • Old Dolfan on said:

      CUE the cliché about sports reporting being a MAN’s job. – - (Which I don’t entirely agree with.)

  127. Marinofan13 on said:

    Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora · 58s
    Can confirm @NBCdianna report than CB DeAngelo Hall has agreed to terms on a new deal with the Redskins

  128. I like Soliai but I just don’t know if he is a real good fit for our D anymore. Of the 2 DTs who are FAs I would keep Starks if money didn’t matter.

  129. Old Dolfan on said:

    AL and KEN: Reply for you up the page RE: Blount and his quality of play with the shitty Bucs.

    • Al in MIA on said:

      Again, why did Hickey and his co workers opt to draft Martin instead if Blount was acceptable as a starter two years after they claimed him off waivers? Was he coming off injury? i forget.

      • Old Dolfan on said:

        Martin was seen as a special player-a game changer. –When healthy he’s proved to be just that. -But Bount has special skills the Dolphins need. –3rd and short conversions; better than average pass blocking, and an attitude that says “I’m gonna run right over you!”
        NOT going to deny his character has been an issue. But, in the last 3 years, I’ve heard of NO bad incidents.

  130. Tim Knight on said:

    Al, is it Bethlehem or Nazareth PA that has the big cross on the hill? I’ve been through both areas.

    • Al in MIA on said:

      I don’t know, probably Nazareth since its in a more rural area. I think the biggest cross ive seen doing road travel is ones down I-81 in VA, forget where…i guess nearing the Shanendoa valley or in it.

  131. OD:
    I know Blount did well inTB pre Martin but still not all that sold on him. He has character issues and he has been around a few years. I would draft a RB instead. That’s just me.

  132. Marinofan13 on said:

    Al,
    *
    Ever been to Intercourse, PA or Lititz, PA?

  133. Al in MIA on said:

    MF13,
    Which reminds me, forget town names, how about Beaver College (now Arcadia thanks to the endless jokes!)?

  134. Al in MIA on said:

    BBL

  135. Intercourse PA

  136. Marinofan13 on said:

    Gobbler’s Knob, PA (in Punxsutawney).

  137. Marinofan13 on said:

    BBL as well.

  138. stanger on said:

    Show Low NV……they got the lowest poker hand possible on the sign into town.

  139. Marinofan13 on said:

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet · 1m
    We’ll know more when final numbers are in RT @trosen19: @RapSheet if Hall is worth $5M a year, how much does that mean Sam Shields is worth?
    ———
    The better question is how much is BRENT GRIMES worth?
    *
    Okay, BBL

    • stanger on said:

      Grimes is worth $8.5 or 9 mil per in a three year contract so long as it is back ended. If he wants straight up or longer the price goes down, if not the headline figure.

  140. Old Dolfan on said:

    Gotta run. – - Mrs. OD wants me to take her out to dinner. When she asks “What did you talk about today” I’m gonna say there were references to Intercourse and Little Titz.

  141. stanger on said:

    Pussy Creek, OH

  142. Rockphin on said:

    John Benton = Probably the best pick up we’ve had so far this year. I hope they cut the drill sergeant and promote him. His lines have been good And he understands and can teach the zone blocking scheme very well

    • I think that was the plan when we signed Benton. Not sure why we are waiting to let Turner go now that the report is out.

  143. Rockphin on said:

    Gotta go see ya later

  144. Jahndoh on said:

    WEED, CA
    -
    I drive through here a couple times a month. Not much going on there, but I’m guessing Highway Patrol is looking for lighter sparks as people drive through town.

  145. finfanrob on said:

    Old Dolfan on February 18, 2014 at 4:12 pm said:

    BET YER ASS we’d convert some 3rd and 1 situations with Blount!!
    *
    aahhhh that was one of his biggest weakness with the bucs….short yardage

  146. finfanrob on said:

    Old Dolfan on February 18, 2014 at 4:01 pm said:

    FINFANROB; My dear Lutz brother–Ya, Shula sucked!!–Ireland was a far better GM and both Sparano and Philbin rank well ahead of Shula in the coaching department.
    ———-
    SERIOUSLY; With the addition of Paul Warfield to the 1969 Dolphins squad, Shula turned a 3-11-1 team into a 10-4 Playoff team IN ONE YEAR!!!
    *
    who the hell is warfield. never heard of the guy. now i know about some guy named clayton.

  147. GetterDone Phins on said:

    What’s the big discussion of the day so I don’t have to pour thru every post? :)

  148. Jahndoh on said:

    GDP
    It’s kinda bounced all over, but Pouncey was a topic, what to do with him, what’s he worth…etc…

  149. Mike E. on said:

    Is Pouncey really LIGHTYEARS better than Samson Satele, and if not, should, should we re-sign Satele, trade Pouncey for a1st or 2nd RD pick, or should we spend whatever we have to get “Smart” Alex Mack.

    • stanger on said:

      Not sure exactly what he is worth, but no way do you get a first for Pouncey right now. Not even sure about a 2nd. Would be sorta neat to see him reunite with his twin though.

      • Mike E. on said:

        Talent beats all. Honestly, he hasn’t done anything terrible. Questionable decisions yes, but he’s a kid. There have been guys who have done much worse that went on to have long, great careers in the NFL. He’s considered by most as one of the best Centers in the NFL (Except Ken) (JBBLOL)

        • Jahndoh on said:

          We’re not going to get a 1st for him. Think about that. Is he worth more then we gave up to draft him (late first) with only a year left (with an option year) on his contract before he gets paid the big bucks?
          -
          That’s not even to mention the drug allegations, the bullying thing, and the Hernandez connection. He doesn’t have to do something “terrible” to be worth less then we paid for him 3 years ago.

          • Jahndoh on said:

            All IMHO of course. But I’m with Stanger, I’d be surprised if we got a 2nd for him.

          • Mike E. on said:

            He just to play well, which is what he’s done for the last 3 years. He’s proven he’s a pro bowl C. Maybe not the ebst C, but top 5 for sure, so YES, he’s worth a 1st RD pick.

          • Mike E. on said:

            Also, we don’t HAVE to trade him, If we don’t get the right compensation, we keep close tabs on him, and try to make sure he stays out of trouble.

        • stanger on said:

          He always seemed like a good if immature guy to me. Truthfully…..just wish I’d never read those texts. Maybe it was better back before smart phones where what went on in the locker room stayed there.

  150. GetterDone Phins on said:

    Good topic on Pouncey….a lot depends on how he interviews with Philbin & Hickey etc.
    If he can convince them he’s gonna be ok, and has his heart in it, then I say he stays, and he should stay…one less OL position to worry about!

  151. marlins fan on said:

    Dan the Man jobless, could he be in Miamis future? it would be a good move for Ross to employ him IMO.
    *

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2014/02/dan-marino-out-at-cbs-dolphins-a-possibility.html

    • GetterDone Phins on said:

      Yeah Marino & Sharpe got dumped by CBS for Tony Gonzalez…I was like WTF?
      Now is the time is Dan every wants to follow in Elway’s career path with his hometown franchise.

  152. GetterDone Phins on said:

    Alex Mack is gonna command big money that we could spend elsewhere, plus the Browns really want to keep him, and he says he loves playing with Joe Thomas on the line.
    *
    Samson Satele…for get it, Pouncey is younger & I’ve seen Samson get rocked, pushed way back by the bigger NT’s & DT’s in the league. I’d pass. Rather draft a future G/C to develop in the mid to later rounds, or we may have that guy already on our PS so to speak.

  153. GetterDone Phins on said:

    Anybody here like Nascar? If so I’d like to invite anyone to our Yahoo Nascar Fantasy group, the Beer n Gas Guzzlers ;)
    It’s free and a hoot….yee haw!

  154. GetterDone Phins on said:

    Falcons released RG Garrett Reynolds.
    The move creates roughly $1.39 million in real savings, and $965,000 in cap space. Re-signed to a two-year, $2.613 million deal last March, Reynolds played 696 uneven snaps, struggling as a run blocker. He started 10 games before being benched in Week 12. Reynolds has made 42 career appearances, all with the Falcons. He’ll likely be limited to minimum offers in the second wave of free agency, though he’s now free to sign with any team.

  155. GetterDone Phins on said:

    I’d like Marino to come on as a consultant at first, also spend time as a QB coach to finesse Tanny to the top of his ceiling, sit in on game planning for the offense etc. :)

  156. I’m with Marlins fan on Wheeler. That kid has a Kyle Turley aggressive streak to him. Played all of those interior positions and played them at a high level

  157. Mike E. on said:

    Jahn,
    *
    I replied up above, and he wasn’t a late 1st RD pick, he was the #15 pick, which I’m sure you realize is in the 1st half of the 1st RD. :)

  158. marlins fan on said:

    yesterday was the first day teams can franchise a player, can’t wait to see who we franchise, most likely to be grimes

  159. GetterDone Phins on said:

    Free agent LT Eugene Monroe said he’s not open to giving the Ravens any sort of hometown discount.
    “You have to get the absolute best because you put forth your best effort all the time, every single day in this league,” Monroe said. “So there are definitely no discounts, and you have to have you and your family’s best interests at heart in terms of negotiating these deals.” Monroe, 27 in April, is in the prime of his career and will be shooting for a big payday coming off his rookie deal. Monroe has proven durable and should find at or above $10 million annually.
    Source: WNST Baltimore

    • marlins fan on said:

      after giving flacco the farm they may not afford Monroe or pitta

    • Jahndoh on said:

      I think the “above” part is a reporter who doesn’t know the marketplace. I’d be surprised if he averages over 9 per based on what Jake got last year, and the fact that risk averse GMs always look at the last deal and if that team got burned, they tend to dial back the numbers. I know Jake’s injury history and all, and don’t know Monroe’s, but I just don’t think he’s going to get 3m more PER year then Jake did last year.

  160. GetterDone Phins on said:

    Mike Sherman was a complete disaster as the Dolphins offensive coordinator. He never gave the run game a chance, which allowed defenses to pin their ears back and attack his overmatched offensive line. It resulted in Ryan Tannehill getting sacked a league-high 58 times and not having enough time to let Wallace do what he does best.

    New OC Bill Lazor helped install Chip Kelly’s offense last season as the Eagles quarterbacks coach. I believe Wallace is actually more talented that DeSean Jackson – he’s just as fast, but he’s bigger and is capable of running a more diverse route tree. Lazor won’t merely use Wallace as a $60 million clear-out route.
    Source: Adam Levitan

  161. GetterDone Phins on said:

    Why is Turner still employed as our OL coach? :(

    • Jahndoh on said:

      Tim made a great “educated” guess above. Gaine’s contract was set to expire in march (new league year presumably) and if Turner’s is the same they might just let his contract expire and not have to do the firing song and dance, which comes with it’s own risks.

  162. Marinofan13 on February 18, 2014 at 3:17 pm said:
    Tim,
    *
    Don’t let “size” deceive ya. Soliai was our worst run-stopper last year.
    Reply ↓
    ——————————————————————
    Soliai shoulnt be making tackles, he is suppose to be plugging holes. Problem was he wasnt getting the LB support he needed. I think if we get things settled out with Wheeler and Ellerbe (which could just be they needed more time in this system to acclimate) and Soliai’s productivity would seriously look much stronger.

  163. GetterDone Phins
    on February 18, 2014 at 5:43 pm said:
    I like Asamoah, but doubt we can sign both him & Albert away from KC.
    ———————————————-
    We could probably get one, but not both. Asamoah is going to run us 6mil a year. Albert, probably 10. We would have to probably lose both Soliai and Starks if we want to get both and thats also going to make it tight for us being able to re-sign Clemons.

  164. Mike E. on said:

    I’m cool with getting Asamoah and drafting a lT. You have to expect that LT to struggle some in his first year though.

    • Mike E. on said:

      IT = LT. If a rookie is going to start at LT, it’s nice to have a very solid LG next to him to help him out some, like Asamoah.

  165. Jahndoh on said:

    “Jahn,
    *
    I replied up above, and he wasn’t a late 1st RD pick, he was the #15 pick, which I’m sure you realize is in the 1st half of the 1st RD. :)
    ____
    I go by memory when I’m conversing sometimes. I think I confused him with Odrick, but I don’t think it invalidates anything I said. If you think he’s worth a 1st and that’s your price, you’re keeping him buddy. LOL…

  166. Jahndoh on said:

    I’m gonna go on record. I don’t think any LT is going to get 10 a year this offseason. I think the top deal will average 9..in real terms. Late big years with no guarantees might push the “brag number” above 10 a year, but it’s not likely anyone will see those late years. JMHO.

    • Jahndoh on said:

      Probably shoulda looked before I made that post. I see there are 5 guys making more then 8 right now, with Joe T making 11. That’s one hell of a contract he got. Maybe I’m wrong about 10 being the number.

    • Al in MIA on said:

      Every team has a different time horizon and most aren’t in the SB contender class so I expect a strong OT draft class to keep FA OT demand lower than normal. Of course, some teams on the cusp of being SB contenders might dole out some big $.

  167. Al in MIA on said:

    GetterDone Phins on February 18, 2014 at 5:34 pm said:

    Yeah Marino & Sharpe got dumped by CBS for Tony Gonzalez…I was like WTF?
    Now is the time is Dan every wants to follow in Elway’s career path with his hometown franchise.
    ——-
    My guess is that the CBS staff was tired of Marino taking their lunch year after year in the straight up NFL game bets lol.

    • herdfan on said:

      On the bright side, getting dumped along with Sharpe is much better than getting replaced by him. Now that would have been depressing.

  168. Mike E. on said:

    Jahn,
    *
    I’d take a 2nd RD pick, and an additional pick next year, either a 2nd or 3rd for Pouncey. Anything less, I’d keep him, and I’m OK with that. You don’t have to be a model citizen to play football in the NFL.

  169. Mike E. on said:

    LOL @ Herd
    *
    I still think Dan is bummed big time. That was a nice gig to have. I’d be surprised if he takes an exective level job with the Dolphins. Huge contrast in work schedule, and I’m not sure he wants to make that committment. Hey, maybe he goes to Fox, or NFLN.

  170. Tim Knight on said:

    I’m sure the team will sit down with Pouncey and discuss what’s important to him and if he’s ready to drop the adolescent stuff and become a real pro and try to win a championship here. He’s 24 years old and young guys make mistakes. It’s time for him to grow up and I think he can. I never got the idea that he was a punk. Maybe his smile and good nature hid the fact that he was still immature with a somewhat dark side. This is a big time in his career because he’s got one year left on his contract and his shenanigans are not going to land him a big pay day in the future if he doesn’t shape up.
    *
    I think he’ll be back in 2014 because his rookie contract is favorable for a quality center. – he’s due to make almost $3M this year and that’s not breaking the bank. Build around him for 2014 and if he still can’t grow up you let him walk and move on. We can’t replace all 5 starting spots in one year and expect to have a real good OL. We’re already looking at a difficult task with 4 starters being UFAs.

    • Mike E. on said:

      I’d hope he can wake up, and see that being associated with idiots and thugs isn’t the best choice. A little leadership by someone in the locker room wouldn’t hurt. I sincerly doubt that guy is on our team right now though. Hopefully we find someone to kind of mentor him, and take him under his wing.

      • Tim Knight on said:

        Maybe a couple of older UFA OL who don’t behave like Incognito and Jerry. Pouncey is not going to have his posse of the last few years. It’s the perfect time to change the environment of the OL group and Pouncey’s approach to the game handing him a major wake up call. Maybe a surrounding of guys who care more about winning on the field and less about fuckin around off it will rub off on him.
        *
        There’s no doubt a new protocol will be communicated to the entire team about behavior and to all teams around the league. All it takes is a situation like the one we had here to promote change across the board.
        *
        I’m very interested to see what happens with Jim Turner because John Benton has a lot more experience than Turner as an OL coach, and more success specifically with the ZBS. Benton being Turner’s assistant doesn’t make much sense to me.

  171. Marinofan13 on said:

    LOLO JONES is coming up shortly on the bobsled!!!
    :D

  172. Marinofan13 on said:

    I just found a new cat to put on my potential UDFA list: Corey Brown, WR/CB/PR, Ohio State. He’s run a 4.27 40-time in the past and he returned 2 Punts for TDs in 2012. He actually played both WR and CB last year… dudes an athlete, but will likely go undrafted.
    *
    http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/corey-brown-2.html

  173. finfanrob on said:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/florida/story/mckinnie-says-martin-handled-harassment-issues-the-wrong-way-021814
    *
    but i am sure most on here will have the right opinion and mckinnie is full of shit

    • Tim Knight on said:

      I read his comments last week and he reiterated what I always thought. But it’s in the PC world’s hands now.

    • Then Mckinnie added Sweet Pea has more balls than Martin and she would have handled Richie with a champagne upside the head.

  174. Tim Knight on said:

    M13, we were talking about the requirements of the center in a zone blocking scheme earlier. This is a good tutorial and schematic with gifs about how it works with the Seahawks. It’s all about lateral movement and cutback/counter runs. The system fits Pouncey perfectly. I’m not trying to prove you wrong or anything, it’s just the way I always thought it was executed. We need more mobile OL outside of Pouncey for it to work. It allows the back basic reads and to use his instincts based on what’s going on. It’s not a system of you hit this hole and that’s it.
    *
    http://www.fieldgulls.com/football-breakdowns/2014/2/18/5394212/seahawks-marshawn-lynch-zone-blocking-scheme-tom-cable

  175. finfanrob on said:

    Tim Knight on February 18, 2014 at 8:33 pm said:

    I read his comments last week and he reiterated what I always thought. But it’s in the PC world’s hands now.
    *
    tim,
    *
    in the case the PC world can go fuck themselves. in a PC way of course

  176. Marinofan13 on said:

    Tim,
    *
    Thanks for the link, and I don’t take any offense and I don’t believe that you are “trying to prove me wrong” at all.
    *
    What I spoke to earlier was MY preference in a ZBS… not some generalized, cookie-cutter scheme. I want a Center who can pull AND can anchor (push/maul) like a Chris Myers. I know I’m expecting a lot with that (Myers is a special player), but that’s merely my preference.
    *
    That said, I’m NOT saying Pouncey can’t be a great Center for us. I’d just want to ensure that we can run up the gut with an anchor.
    *
    Again, thanks for the link. I’ll check it out more in depth later after I watch LOLO go down… the bobsled track, that is!
    ;)

  177. Marinofan13 on said:

    FFR,
    *
    Do you like Lolo Jones?! LOL
    :D

  178. finfanrob on said:

    Marinofan13 on February 18, 2014 at 8:47 pm said:

    FFR,
    *
    Do you like Lolo Jones?! LOL
    :D
    *
    only when she is naked

  179. Marinofan13 on said:

    Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez · 2m
    Surprising to me after Wells Report release: All signs point toward embattled Dolphins o-line coach Jim Turner accompanying team to #Combine

  180. Marinofan13 on said:

    Dave Hyde ‏@davehydesports · 3m
    Stunning. Graphic had Dolphins 8-4 RT @KevinClarkWSJ Marino too relaxed on CBS. Unhinged Marino was entertaining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nApi_i2DcRc … …
    ——–
    AWESOME clip. Phil Rivers reminds me today of how much fire young Marino had.

  181. Tim Knight on said:

    M13, if we can establish the ZBS running game then converting those mano-a-mano short yardage surges become a lot easier. You’ve had them running around all day. You don’t want Pouncey anchoring, you want him and the guards on the move – sealing shit off and getting up the field. It’s like expanding the pocket in pass protection, get past the LOS.
    *
    We saw runs like that from Miller and DT at times, but the entire running game just wasn’t good enough this year. The OL didn’t move well and the options weren’t there for the backs so they took the ‘only’ option.
    *
    The ZBS system at it’s best from what I can remember is Davis with the Broncos, the Texans with Foster, Forte with the Bears and again Shanahan in WAS with Morris. If you have an instinctive back you don’t need 4.4 40s. You can slice them and dice them all day and set up play-action.
    *
    We think of Marshawn Lynch as ground and pound, not the case. He’s a physical runner playing the ZBS. To me it’s the most logical and simple way to play but you need the right personnel – athletic OL.

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      Again, you won’t get any complaints from me if we can fix the O-Line properly: there’s no ONE right way. Pouncey can do it with us if we surround him with fellow ZBSers.
      *
      Watch this. It’s Alex Gibbs (the Godfather of the ZBS). It’s long, so you may want to bookmark it and watch in it’s entirety later. I think you’d enjoy it what with your love of these things like I do…
      *
      alex gibbs zone clinic part a
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL5uxe1QTUk

  182. Tim Knight on said:

    M13, I’m checking out the Gibbs scheme. You know what’s funny, it was no different than what Sherman ‘wanted’ to run.

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      I think I agree with ya. You know what KILLS me? It seems as though Ireland was the guy who handcuffed Sherman what with $#!tty decisions on the O-Line. Like you and I BOTH know, ya can’t run an effective WCO if the O-Line sucks.
      *
      As time goes by, I actually feel badly for Mike Sherman. And I admit… I was one who wanted Sherman gone. I think he was left to work with what Ireland gave him and I regret having speaking ill against Sherman.
      *
      We all live and learn… and I have many regrets on the matter of Sherman.

      • Tim Knight on said:

        Agreed. It goes back to Gary Stevens’ quote: “you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit.” It’s true.
        *
        Shula couldn’t will his defenses back in the mid and late 80s. They weren’t any good.
        *
        Talent still rules the day. Pete Carroll enjoyed it this year. I’ll give him some credit for helping to build that team and coaching it, but they hit on a lot of players in mid and late rounds. Congrats to them.

  183. What’s new, 14 hours working on the house, im to tired to google :)

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      No real news to report today, David. Jim Turner is still here, and Tim dropped a BOMB-azz theory that we just might be waiting for his contract to expire, which may be in March.
      *
      That would help us to avoid any kind of legal woes.

  184. Combine this weekend, time is flying

  185. BoulderPhinFan on said:

    You guys are actually talking about trading our only probowl player on offense?

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      It’s only about his rep off the field (“Free Hernandez”, potential involvement with Hernandez, parties with “mollies”, and involvement in Bully-Gate).

      • BoulderPhinFan on said:

        The guys is not getting arrested or anything. His brother was wearing the same hat do you think the steelers have even talked about trading his brother? I doubt pouncey goes anywhere. But he might get suspended a game or 2 because of wells report.

  186. Marinofan13 on said:

    I want to get something off of my chest. I merely spoke ill of Sherman, never ADVOCATED (ie: flying a banner or starting a movement) his firing.
    *
    I treated Sherman with “kids-gloves” compared to how I treated Mr. Magoo. I VERY much despised Mr. Magoo.

    • BoulderPhinFan on said:

      Not sure what advocate but I remember during a couple of those games you wanted Sherman fired. We all did :-)

      • Marinofan13 on said:

        This is true, Bro! I just feel that with hindsight now (regarding Ireland vs Philbin and Aponte) that Ireland SCREWED Mike Sherman.
        *
        I just feel like I jumped a gun that I should not have. I’m glad I didn’t go “BALLS to the WALL” for Sherman’s firing like I did Mr. Magoo.

        • Marinofan13 on said:

          I hope that Jahndoh can see the progress that I’ve made over the years! LOL… yet not LOL.
          *
          I’m a man of conscience anymore.

  187. Tim Knight on said:

    M13, I will say the language Alex Gibbs uses is very scary and hurtful, I’m offended. LOL

  188. Tim Knight on said:

    Boulder, I said this earlier.
    “I’m very interested to see what happens with Jim Turner because John Benton has a lot more experience than Turner as an OL coach, and more success specifically with the ZBS. Benton being Turner’s assistant doesn’t make much sense to me.”
    *
    I think we have to clear as many as we can involved in Bullygate to move on. Because of Pouncey’s talent, I would try to work on getting him focused on what’s important. If he can’t focus move on 2015 when he’s a UFA.

  189. Ty MF, Turner contract expires in March?

  190. Marinofan13 on said:

    I AM moving forward that Mike Pouncey WILL BE our Center this year. Much of what I spoke to today was based on scenarios should Ross/Philbin wish to trade him.
    *
    I still “prefer” (<- note the quotes) an anchor at Center, but Pouncey can MORE than work for us if Hickey can get him surrounded by ZBS cats.
    *
    In short, Pouncey isn't realistically going anywhere unless more evidence materializes.

  191. Tim Knight on said:

    For all we know Turner is good teaching fundamentals and technique, but Benton was brought in to teach the ZBS. I still don’t see how Benton is Turner’s assistant.
    *
    Maybe Turner got a lot out of our poor OL in Philbin’s eyes. Maybe he saw the void and said geez, what would you do with this? Maybe he knows Turner is gone and it’s just a formality? We’ll see.
    *
    We tend to jump too quickly sometimes and make subjective statements too often. I hate when I do that. Like the other day, I tried to shove a 6 inch collapsible Eiffel Tower up my nose, oh boy that was smarts. I hate when I do that. LOL

  192. Marinofan13 on said:

    Oh Jeez… this skier just got FUNKED up… that’s sad to see.
    :(

  193. Tim Knight on said:

    Oh in case anyone wonders about me making gay jokes having defended the gay lifestyle, I still think humor has no boundaries unless you’re being hateful. There is a line and I try not cross it. Silly Boy’s favorite vacation spot is still Gobbler’s Knob, PA. It’s science. LOL

  194. Marinofan13 on said:

    See, THIS is the stuff I miss during the season… us fellows cracking jokes and sharing camaraderie!

  195. Marinofan13 on said:

    S#!T gets SOOOOO heated during the season that we lose focus that we are ALL friends and rooting for the same team… despite differing views on the game. This is a time of year that I LOVE sharing with y’all! FRIENDSHIPS are forged on this blog during the offseason!

  196. BoulderPhinFan on said:

    from pft
    .
    “Why fire Turner when the NFL may suspend him for the next year, or longer? At that point, it becomes much cleaner and easier to sever ties with Turner, which seems inevitable at this point.”

  197. Marinofan13 on said:

    I’m sorry, but Mike Florio is the football equivalent of the National Enquirer. He and little peter are best buds… TELLING.

  198. Marinofan13 on said:

    One last post and I’m audi…
    *
    I want to hold EVERY local and national beat writer ACCOUNTABLE for sucking little peter’s wang. These so-called “journalists” stick up for one another under a code (DON’T doubt me).
    *
    If little peter writes it, it MUST be true. NO ONE can unseat little peter in their “little world” of so-called “journalism”. NO ONE challenges little peter… NO ONE. Didn’t realize that little peter resides in the Kremlin representing “Pravda”.
    *
    Apologies for being out of line, as I CHALLENGE conventional thinking. HANG ME!!! LOL
    ;)

  199. psuphinphan on said:

    Tim – How do you know the name Gobbler’s Knob? That’s in my hometown…
    By the way, what’s up Mob?!

  200. psuphinphan on said:

    What’s up MF! I’m gonna drop some offseason thoughts on you before the combine gets going. That way all y’all can’t claim I’m late to the party.

    • Marinofan13 on said:

      Seriously GREAT to see ya back here, my man!
      *
      I’ve got to bounce though, cat. It’s getting HELLA late for me.
      *
      PLEASE come back here more frequently, sir!

  201. psuphinphan on said:

    Free Agency: Re-sign ERFA Armon Binns; Re-sign ERFA Jon Freeny; Re-sign RFA Pat Devlin; Re-sign RFA Will Yeatman. RJ Stanford is the only other RFA or ERFA. I’m personally fine with not re-signing him though. Next up: Unrestricted free agents.

  202. psuphinphan on said:

    UFA: Sign Paul Soliai for 3yr/18mil. I like Linval Joseph but I think we keep the guy who’s loyal to us and knows our system. Sign Brent Grimes to 4yr/26mil. Tim Jennings is same age and recently signed to remain with the Bears. He got 4 years and $22mil. I would not Franchise Grimes though, personally. I would go after Alterraun Verner or Sam Shields instead. However, Verner will get 4 or 5 years at $10mil per year and Shields will get 4 or 5 years at $7+mil per year. To be continued.

  203. psuphinphan on said:

    Sign Chris Clemons to a 1 yr/ $4mil deal. He got less than $3mil last year, so this would be a raise. It’s possible that another team outbids us, though. I’d love to sign Jairus Byrd, but I doubt we spend that huge of money when there’s FS’s in the draft for us. Sign Andrew Quarless to a 2 yr / $8mil contract. He’s a RZ threat and, more importantly, can block. It’s time to cut bait with Egnew. I’d love to draft Ebron in rd 1 but I doubt he makes it to us and I doubt we’d pick a TE that high anyway. To be continued.

  204. psuphinphan on said:

    Sign Jon Asamoah, RG, for 4yr / 20 mil. There’s very few RG options for us in the draft, so we lock up the RG spot for several years with a quality player. Sign Zach Strief to a 2 yr / $10 mil deal, if possible. He’s 30, so many teams will be hesitant to give him a long-term contract. I’d draft a RT in rd 3 as well and let Strief groom him. Austin Howard is a possibility here and I’m intrigued by Roger Saffold, who has played LT, RT and RG. To be continued.

  205. psuphinphan on said:

    Sign Bryant McKinnie to a 1 yr / $4 mil deal. Not that he’s great at this point, but I want him in place until our early-pick LT is up to speed. Cut Dmitri Patterson and save $5mil. Re-sign him or Nolan Carroll for $3mil on a 1 year deal. Trade or cut Jon Martin and save $400K. Trade or cut Daniel Thomas and save $800K.

  206. psuphinphan on said:

    So, recap: Signed: Soliai (3yr/18mil); Grimes (4yr/26mil); Clemons (1yr/4mil); Asamoah (4yr/20mil); Strief (2yr/10mil); McKinnie (1yr/4mil); Quarless (2yr/8mil). Cut/Traded: Patterson, Martin & Daniel Thomas. Re-sign Patterson or Carroll for $3mil. Re-sign the ERFA’s and RFA’s mentioned (Binns, Yeatman, Devlin & Freeny). New money spent in year 1: $33.5 mil. Saved: $6.6 mil (from above cuts). Our cap space is around $38 mil, so we’d still have about $11 mil left.

  207. psuphinphan on said:

    I’ll keep my draft thoughts brief at the moment: Rd 1: Calvin Pryor, Morgan Moses and David Yankey as top targets. Rd 2: Chris Borland, Carlos Hyde, Xavier Su’a-Filo as top targets. Rd 3: Billy Turner, Juwuan James, Jordan Zumwalt as top targets. Rd 4: Andre Williams, Caraun Reid, Joel Bitonio as top targets. Rd 5: Marqueston Huff, Eathen Manumaleuna, James Hurst as top targets. Rd 6: Wesley Johnson, Ty Zimmerman, David Fluellen as top targets. Rd 7: Keith Wenning, Spencer Long, Ted Bolser as top targets. UDFA’s: Tyler Starr, Glenn Carson, Ethan Westbrooks, Matt Hazel as top targets.

  208. Armando just took aim at Joe Philbin: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/
    SHOTS FIRED!!!

    • Brian in NY on said:

      Armando makes a great point. Hickey is going to be on the front line in a matter of days at the combine, and it is HE who is going to have to answer questions regarding last year’s shit-show when he wasn’t even a part of this organization. He didn’t seem comfortable in his introductory press conference, and I think that he will be even less comfortable when answering the types of questions he is going to be asked this time around.

      • professorlou on said:

        If I were Hickey I would tell the media that “I am here at the Combine in the capacity of the GM of the Miami Dolphins for the purpose of assessing the talent that’s here and to find players that will fit within our organization. If you have questions pertaining to that I will be happy to answer them for you.”

  209. In regards to Armando’s article it’s well written , but it’s easy to see Fins lawyers telling him or anyone from the organization not to speak about this until Martins situation is completely resolved. I think for the most part most fans are sick of this story, but the media loves to beat a dead horse……except this time after the horse was dead and buried they want to dig it back up and kick it some more.

    • convict on said:

      Fans are sick of it because its a bad story. Just like anything negative, we want it to go away. I’m not sure the Dolphins are acting that swiftly either though… for example, why in the world is Turner still employed here? Its not really dead and buried – we just wish it was.

    • professorlou on said:

      Armando is a dick, a hack and he’s far from a reporter. He should be working for The Globe and reporting on movie stars and their affairs, sex scandals, etc instead of writing about sports.

      • convict on said:

        Set aside that its Mando writing it. Do you disagree with his general point about Philbin’s media availability?

  210. convict on said:

    I get the point that Mando is trying to make, but the article is a bit over the top. Regardless – I think its crazy that Philbin hasn’t been made available to the press in an offseason which has had so many talking points already. One would think that the swapping out of the OC would warrant him taking questions.
    -
    Looking at the NFL combine schedule, it appears that there are 24 NFL head coaches that will speak to the press. Philbin isn’t one of them.

  211. professorlou on said:

    PSU,
    I still think that Richburg is a probability at center with Pouncey being moved to guard. There are plenty of linemen in the draft but there are few who can play within the scheme. Richburg is one of them and I like his aggressive style of play. I also think there are only a handful of good offensive linemen in the draft. Richburg is a guy who, I believe, can be a first year starter.
    That being said, I do want to say that I wanted Wisniewski for center in the draft and not Pouncey. I didn’t like the pick, especially at #15 and Wisniewski has definitely, by far, been the better center and he plays on an even shitier team. In his first two years in the league he had 2 hurries and zero sacks given up.

  212. Brian in NY on said:

    Lou,
    I’m sure that’s what Hickey is going to TRY to do, but the questioning is going to be relentless. The Dolphins PR department is one of the worst in professional sports, and they could easily avoid this probable distraction if they would simply address the situation.

    • professorlou on said:

      Honestly, I could really give two shits about this situation anymore. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a done deal. It’s time to move on and there’s no reason to keep dragging it out. Whether or not the PR department puts out a statement is none of my concern and if the media wants to continue to pursue it that’s there prerogative but I see no reason for this to continue to be something that should cause further damage to the team.
      McDonald and McKinnie have been heard from over the past few days and they are rebuking what was said in the Wells report. So, to me, I think this is a matter of a guy who’s a PUSSY who was looking for a way out and rather than taking responsibility for it he decided he was going to pull down a whole organization. I find Martin to be a man of little character and I think HE should be the one who should be put in front of the cameras and microphones and explain his reasoning for doing what he did. Tony Dungy’s interview was a farce and had Martin been interviewed by someone who was an actual reporter he would have been grilled and his story would have been shred apart on national television. It was a crying fucking fallacy.

  213. Brian in NY on said:

    Dbolt on February 19, 2014 at 7:33 am said:
    In regards to Armando’s article it’s well written , but it’s easy to see Fins lawyers telling him or anyone from the organization not to speak about this until Martins situation is completely resolved.
    *
    You are right Dbolt, but someone in the organization should say that. A simple statement would suffice. They are inviting a potential nightmare at the combine by saying nothing IMO.

  214. convict on said:

    Hickey will deflect all those questions… but I do think an appropriate line of questioning will be about Pouncey. I’m sure he will answer in platitudes, but I hope someone asks if we are committed to Pouncey in the long term.

    • Brian in NY on said:

      He most likely will Convict, but the PR department could have made it a lot easier on him. He wasn’t comfortable at his introductory press conference, and I can’t imagine him being an more comfortable anwering the questions he is surely to be asked at the combine.

    • professorlou on said:

      I heard Hickey is taking an entire set of Teflon coated cookware with him to the Combine just for that purpose. When a reporter poses a question about it to him he’s going to deflect it with a frying pan.

  215. SixThree0ne on said:

    Mando has been on Philbin for weeks now and rightfully so. Wonder how his recent blog is explained away. Should be fun. Philbin can do wrong to some.

  216. SixThree0ne on said:

    And even if Turner’s contract expires soon or he’s about to suspended by the NFL, The Miami Fucking Dolphins should be holding him accountable. NOT letting the NFL handle it. I haven’t heard a peep out of Goddell on the matter like Sean Payton’s suspension so there’s no reason to believe that the NFL is working on a suspension. Above all else, Philbin should be furious. Turner lied to his face and at best was merely complicit, although it seems he was a active participant in the over top shenanigans. Philbin should be ripping him a new asshole and not waiting to be bailed out like some coward by the NFL. Have some damn fire.

    • Jahndoh on said:

      Philbin SHOULD this, the Dolphins SHOULD that. Fan’s SHOULD stop thinking they know how to run an NFL franchise.

      • Old Dolfan on said:

        Ya, we ONLY pay the bills–we have no right to criticize. –Did I just move to Communist China?? – - OF COURSE fans have a right to bitch!

  217. Brian in NY on said:

    Lou,

    I get your point, but it’s not going to go away until we actually address it.

  218. I don’t like Mando at all, but he’s pretty spot on in that “letter”.

    • Brian in NY on said:

      Agreed

    • professorlou on said:

      I disagree with that assessment. After looking at this more closely and hearing what other members of the team have had to say about the issue I think Martin’s story is falling apart and, given time, it will come out that way.

  219. On a non-football note, if you have kids and haven’t seen taken them to see The Lego Movie yet, you’re missing out. Plenty of funny stuff in there for parents to enjoy.

  220. Maybe the Leadership Council held things together better than we thought. Philbin calls Turner to his office and pulls out a notecard

  221. SixThree0ne on said:

    If we sign Albert or Monroe, do we really need to draft Zach Martin? Either would be our LT for years. Does it make sense to spend our no.1 on a RT? We could find a good RT in the 2nd or 3rd rd. Donald Penn was a UDFA for example. I’d rather take the BPA if it’s someone better than Martin.

    • Brian in NY on said:

      631,
      If he can play RT or LG for years to come at a high level then I say yes. I say we do whatever we can to begin solidfying this OL once and for all.

    • Agreed. Would rather find our LT in FA but wouldn’t do both. Would rather find a G or C who can start immediately and move Pouncey

  222. Brian in NY on said:

    Walker,

    Don’t know if you caught it, but I got a permanent teaching position at an Alternative Ed school. I start Monday. One year when I make it down for the fest we can share war stories.

  223. SixThree0ne on said:

    Brian,

    Ok say we sign a LT and an OG in FA. Would you draft Martin then? He could be our 4th best OL at that point. Yes it would be a mauling line but we would still have holes at DT and in the secondary to fill. Not to mention it’d be nice to add a TE.

    • Brian in NY on said:

      No. If that were the case then I would be fine with taking a TE or a LB at that spot.

    • The Flying Pig on said:

      We might have he room to sign a OT, an OG, Grimes, Clemmons and Starks or Soliai
      but might is the important wordhere
      Seems like an uphill cilmb to me
      ****
      I think I’m with you on why draft Martin in the 1st if you get a LT and OG?
      I don;t think the entire offseason needs to be focussed so heavily on OL. If we do that we are bound to opne up other holes.
      Plus we can get a good OG in the 2nd round, maybe eben 3rd round
      **********
      And Zack Martin is not a sure thing
      I still don;t know if he is an OT or an OG

      • Brian in NY on said:

        That’s why I like the Martin pick Piggy. If we sign a LT in FA, then they can determine wheter he can play RT or LG. It gives us a little flexibility.

        • The Flying Pig on said:

          To me the idea of brining in a 1st round pick on the OL is that he is ready to spe in right away and play _______ position
          I actually think Martin and Yankey (though good players) should be 2nd rounders not 1st rounders
          I’m not sure the draft will shape up that way though

      • professorlou on said:

        I agree Piggy. I’ve been saying that we shouldn’t be putting too much of our resources in one area despite the problems with the offensive line. We can’t ignore other areas like the DT position, CB, Safety.
        However, Piggy I also don’t think Clemons is a must sign. I think there’s better options in the draft and Don Jones could be an answer there as well and I’m not sold on giving Clemons any kind of big payday. I don’t think he’s worth it. If he comes cheap, ok.

        • The Flying Pig on said:

          I think at the end of the day he comes ont he cheap
          I don;t feel he is a must sign either
          I bet his signing lingers for some time
          the market for S is just not very strong market
          No need to overpay a guy

      • professorlou on said:

        I’d rather see us solidify the DT position with someone like Hageman or Donald in the first or take someone who could really help us on offense like Ebron, sign Asamoah if possible, draft Richburg and move Pouncey. Other than that, I don’t know which direction to go right now until after FA.

  224. Brian,
    That’s awesome Bro. I’m happy for you and hopefully our schedule will be more appealing this year as opposed to last season’s mini-fests. You’ll love your gig. Mine is straight ghetto but black kids love me for whatever reason. Maybe it’s because my filter doesn’t work, they figure I smoke weed, and they know I’ll shoot somebody, lol. BTW, anybody’s computer slow today?

    • Brian in NY on said:

      Thanks Walker. My kids are a mix, mostly white and from a rural area though. Same problems as the black kids I taught though. It’s funny , I’ve been in predominantly black urban and predominantly white suburban schools and I felt more comfortable in the urban environment.

  225. The Flying Pig on said:

    Congrats ont he new job Brian
    Give em the Oinks!

  226. The Flying Pig on said:

    Gigi
    thanks for the link
    I don;t personally want Philbuin or Hickey to discuss the Wells report publicly
    The story does not deserve the attention it already received
    I am moving on
    The team never will if they keep opening the door to discuss it
    *****
    After Philbin got compeltely absolved of any responsility (which is abit unbeleivable to me) why does he want to say anything about it?
    There are a few moves the Dolphins have to make to put this int he rears view mirror
    1. Part ways with Incognito/Jerry
    2. Part ways with Turner
    3. Part ways with Martin
    4. and maybe part ways with Pouncey
    ****
    they don’t need to speak witht he media
    If there is anyone I would like to answer questions – its Ted Wells
    I don;t need to hear from Philbin, Martin, Incog on the subject anymore

  227. The Flying Pig on said:

    PSU great point about Jennings contract with the Bears
    Jennings is the same age as grimes
    is 2nd inthe NFl in INTs the last 2 years
    was named tot eh 2013 pro bowl (alt)
    and signed for 4 years 22M
    That is the same thing Griimes should get – 4 years 26M/ 6.5 a year won;t kill us

  228. Mike E. on said:

    I agree with Piggy 100% about Philbin not speaking. While I love the arrow slinging against Joe, because I do think he gets away with murder (Everything is someone else’s fault), no good can come of him speaking out about this nonsense, and the less it’s discussed, maybe it quietly disappears.

    • The Flying Pig on said:

      Yeah
      a scab will never heal if you keep picking at it
      *****
      I think Philbin got away with one in the wells report

      • Mike E. on said:

        I think Philbin gets away with a lot more than just the Wells report. , but you already knew that. lol

  229. Old Dolfan on said:

    TWO THINGS: Number One; This COULD BE a memorable day for team USA hockey fans. The Mighty Russians are LOSING ON THEIR HOME ICE TO FINLAND 3-1 AFTER TWO PERIODS!!!!! – - Putin is already warming up the big engines on the cargo flight which will take the Russian coaching staff from Sochi to the GULAG if the Russians lose their second game and are eliminated today! – - A U.S. win over the Czechs puts us in the medal round to play, I guess, the Canadians!! –The winner of that semi-final plays the winner of Finland vs. Sweden in the other semi-final IF the Fins hold onto this lead in the Gold Medal Game.
    ———-
    NUMBER TWO: Armando’s shot across Philbin’s bow can NOT be ignored (see GIGI’s 12:14 AM post).–Philbin needs to man-up and face the questions. Rest assured, THE DON OF MIAMI DUCKED NO ONE !!!–
    Philbin deserves a break because he had the Ireland albatross around his neck his first two seasons.–But now it’s his show. Can’t speak for anyone else on this board BUT, if we have a 6th consecutive non-winning season, Philbin’s job should be in serious jeopardy. In fact 7-9 or worse SHOULD get his ass fired, barring an incredible run of injuries.
    NUMBER THREE: (not so big) FAU’s baseball team plays at the U. of Miami’s A-Roid Stadium tonight in an early season showdown of ranked programs. Wouldn’t be surprised if the “U” wins this one because FAU is going with their #4 starter. But these squads meet twice more later this season in what has become the top division I NCAA baseball rivalry in the southern half of the Sunshine State.

    • The Flying Pig on said:

      Sorry OD
      that is just wring
      sure Don Shula didn;t dodge anything, but he knew when something was wirth discussing and when it wasn;t
      ****
      I don’t recall 25 interview by don shula on why we rafted Eric Kumerow
      There are sometimes when its appropriate to just soemthing, mistake or not die
      The wells report closed Martin/Incog
      and really absolved and when out of its way to absolve Philbin and the Organization of wrongdoing
      ****
      You can get all the deetails yoyu want fromt he wells report
      Ther eare more details int hat report about any lockeroom in professional sports
      But go ahead, ask Philbin for even more….it will never end I guess

      • The Wells Report showed Philbin had no control over his players or locker room. I don’t know how anyone thinks the report made him look good. I feel for Hickey – he inherited a huge mess. Many who read the report think Philbin is either a clueless idiot or just didn’t want to do anything about the issues.

      • Piggy,
        I think until it is addressed by someone in the org directly, it still continue to be a story and will not go away. Is that person philbin? That might be debatable, but someone needs to sit down and face the music. Personally I think Philbin SHOULD because he is the defacto ring leader, and bring the public face carries that responsibility, besides the fact that he bares some responsibility for this mess.

        • EXACTLY!! Issue a brief statement case closed move on. This organization has had a veil of secrecy around it like the Vatican for several years now. This stuff has been a PR disaster for a team struggling to sell tickets and get people in the stands. Just do it so we don’t have to hear about it any more.

  230. I think Armando is a jerk but he is spot on in that letter. This team has been a PR nightmare – it would show leadership on Philbin’s part to say something — even a short statement and move on. Hickey had nothing to do with this nonsense.

    • The Flying Pig on said:

      Short statement now
      another short statment in another week
      a long statment in another week
      The PR nightmare is that people can’t get enough of this

    • professorlou on said:

      The Wells report is as much of a farce as was the Dungy interview with Martin. The Wells report is nothing more than an attempt on the part of the NFL to cover it’s own ass so they can say they addressed the situation. However, Martin’s STORY doesn’t hold water.
      You have too many teammates, including one who was said to have been harassed, saying that what Martin said was going on in the locker room didn’t exist; at least not to the extent that Martin said it did. Martin said McDonald was being harassed and McDonald said “STFU Martin, you don’t know WTF you’re talking about.” He also said he took no offense to the blow up doll and had no problem with what happened in the locker room the entire time he was there.
      In the coming weeks I think we’re going to see that Martin’s story is going to fail to hold up under scrutiny and it should be scrutinized because I think it’s just a matter of a BIG TIME PUSSY who wanted out and couldn’t man up. Instead, he decided to use harmless stuff that he had possession of to try and bring down a team so he could get out. HE was involved. HE sent texts to Richie. The harrasement was SO BAD he did NOTHING!
      I hope this team turns around and sues his ass for defamation. Fuck Martin.

  231. The Flying Pig on said:

    I don’t get it?
    What is left for Philbin to say that hasn;t been said already?
    What is left?

  232. Old Dolfan on said:

    IT IS OVER!!!!!! – - Finland defeats the Russians in ice hockey 3-1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WARM UP THE FLIGHT TO THE GULAG!!!!

  233. The Flying Pig on said:

    Two days ago no one wanted to talk about Martin/Incog anymore
    now everyone wants a PC from the coach ont he subject
    Incog was attacked for posting on twitter abiout it/martin too
    but let’s keep talking about it
    *****
    The best way to give a contraversy life is to keep talking about it
    Once Philbin has a PC on it, the only thing that happens is it gives some one a chance to talk about
    *****
    Face it guys/gals you don’t like what happened and you want blood
    There is nothing som one can say to make this go away
    There is only one way to move on
    and its to actually move on
    Just move on

  234. Jahndoh on said:

    I think Philbin SHOULD tell Armando got go fuck himself. This quote sets the tone for the rest of Armando’s coverage of the team:
    ” I also understand you think your responsibility to the media and to speak with your fans through the media ended the moment your 10-minute NFL mandated season-ending press conference ended.”
    -
    No Armando, that’s now what he THINKS his responsibility to you is, that IS what his responsibility to you is/was. He’s not talking to you because you’re a sensationalist that’s willing to throw him and his organization under the bus for clicks.

    • professorlou on said:

      What I don’t like about the whole statement is Ross took the Wells report at face value and let the organization take all of the blame for what had happened. Martin did not go to anyone within the organization early enough to have any credibility whatsoever in his accusations. I’ve seen women who have been raped have their stories put thru more scrutiny that this crybaby mutherfucker’s story has. It should have been examined under a microscope and Martin should have to answer tougher questions from a real journalist and not just Dungy who isn’t qualified to ask questions of that nature. Dungy went into the interview with the idea the Fins were guilty; not innocent until proven guilty. That’s BS to the tenth degree and anyone who agrees with this shit needs to rethink it. We have less trust in our own government than we do this assclown.

      • The Flying Pig on said:

        IMO Ross made a corporate move to minimlize liability
        Its probably the right move
        although I have many of the same issues you have with the free pass Martin received

  235. professorlou on said:

    Here is the first page of NFL.com. Not one mention in the “headlines” of Sharper being accused of rape. A much bigger story and a much worse offense than what we are talking about here but people just want to drag this shit out forever.
    http://www.nfl.com/

  236. NEW BLOG UP

  237. The Flying Pig on said:

    The temma made a stament immediatly after the report came out
    No one cares!
    No one remembers (obviously fromt he posts above)
    Its give you no insight
    it made nothing go away
    It only goes away if you leave it alone
    Try it
    Please try it
    (Piggy falls to his knees)
    I’m begging you
    ****
    the last thing you want to do is feed a sensational contraversy
    Leave it alone
    ITS OVER!
    I’m fucking sick of it
    move on
    there is an outline on the report of who needs to be dsicplined/fored – so do it and move on

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