Miami morning take: Dolphins ownership

From: James Walker – espn.com

 

 

Here are the most interesting Miami Dolphins stories Tuesday from around the Web:

 

  • Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald writes Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is loyal to a fault.

 

Morning take: Ross’ dedication to head coach Joe Philbin weighed heavily during the general manager search. It remains to be seen if that was the right call.

 

 

Morning take: Ross certainly has some explaining to do. His structure for the Dolphins has been questioned by many as other top candidates declined.

 

  • The Sun Sentinel looks at issues facing new Dolphins general manager Dennis Hickey.

 

Morning take: Hickey is behind the eight ball after the process took a bit long. The Dolphins have more than 20 restricted and unrestricted free agents to decide on by March.

 

 

 

MORE FINS NEWS:

 

Dolphins hire former Texans O-line coach John Benton
Super Bowl Media Day: The (frigid) stage is set

Mike Wallace: 2013 Year In Review

Should new Dolphins GM Hickey bring in former Bucs GM Dominik as his assistant?

2014 NFL Mock Draft: SB Nation Studios analyzes Mocking the Draft’s latest projection

 

1,134 Responses to Miami morning take: Dolphins ownership

  • Ken says:

    My take: We have no idea WTF to expect from this franchise next year.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    IMO, the John Benton hire is OUTSTANDING. He and Kubiak have been working together since 2006… and Kubiak learned the ZBS under the “godfather of the ZBS”: Alex Gibbs.
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    This is certainly an indication that we’ll be running the ZBS this year instead of going to a variation or total change of as much. I VERY much believe that Philbin/Lazor/Benton can be a WINNER. Now lets see if Hickey can deliver the goods.
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    The timing of this hire is no coincidence as Kubiak was hired as the Ravens’ OC just yesterday. We didn’t want Kubiak to take Benton with him to Baltimore, clearly.

  • Mike E. says:

    Hicky has plenty of time to get in front of the 8-ball. What else does he have to do but prepare? He’ll be ready in a month or so.

    • convict says:

      It’ll probably take a week to sweep his office and get rid of the recording bugs that Aponte planted in Ireland’s office.

  • SteveCCNV says:

    CavalierKong on January 27, 2014 at 10:52 am said:
    In my estimation we looked ridiculous during this GM search. We came out with, at best, our 4th or 5th choice. The guy we got comes from a team that was also looking for a GM and our guy didn’t even get an interview with them. Scary. All that being said, it’s done, he’s the guy and even though everything above is true, it doesn’t mean this guy will suck. Maybe he’ll do a good job for us. We can hope. I’ll support the team going forward and give this new regime a chance. Fingers crossed.
    ——————————————————-
    Then you should look further into this hiring instead of just reading what the assholes in the media are saying.
    !
    Someone on here yesterday wrote, that his stability of of being in Tampa for 18 is something we could use. I want to add to that, that if he spent 18 yrs on one team he’s got to be able to get along with others, which might be more important than almost anything else.
    !
    In the end, the circus that the media has portayed us as being, may be all BS. Seems like he can evaluate talent, I would assume he was part of the Bucs staff when they won the SB in the early 2000s.

    • Mike E. says:

      Agree. Way too much is being made of the structure, and the fact that candidates wanted control of firing Philbin, which Ross clearly outlined wasn’t happening. That’s not a knock on Ross, that’s on the candidates who don’t understand the parameters of the job, despite being written in bold black and white.

    • convict says:

      I don’t want to belabor the point anymore, but a public 3 week process where multiple candidates publicly pulled out of the process and 2 publicly turned it down after being offered before the guy we hired was even offered the job…. needs no media involvement to define it as a circus. But its over with, and the process should have no bearing whatsoever on Hickey’s performance on the job… which is all that he should be accountable for.

  • BoulderPhinFan says:

    I guess it was wishful thinking of me to expect a different rushing attack than ZBS with the new OC. With crappy ZBS rushing attack you better believe philbin will be holding a clip board on the greenbay sidelines next year.

    • Mike E. says:

      How do you know it will be crappy? We don’t even know who the O-line or RB’s are yet

      • BoulderPhinFan says:

        Because I saw it last year. And the year before. If a rushing attack is so hard to implement because its so hard to find the “right” players to run it then the odds of it working are slim.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      If Hickey can draft and/or get some ZBS FAs in here, there’s no need to be concerned. However, if he can’t… bye-bye Philbin.

  • marlins fan says:

    hickey is in a great spot, he’ll add to the weak spots on this team, clean up on Irelands work with a somewhat seasoned tanny and his rec corp and a stout D that finished 8th in points allowed.keep the core of this team intact and fix the OL.

  • marlins fan says:

    admin on January 28, 2014 at 9:38 am said:

    NEW BLOG UP
    ___________________________________________________

    who is this dude admin on? he never has nothing to say except “new blog up”

  • Mike E. says:

    LOL @ Convict – It’s funny how Aponte has become the Dragon Queen. She’s just someone looking to move up just like everyone else. I don’t feel bad for Ireland, he seemed like a douchebag himself.

    • convict says:

      Yeah, I personally find it hilarious that she is blamed for so many things. Thus, I will attempt to blame most things Dolphins on her.

  • Mike E. says:

    ADMIN is some hot chick, or so I’ve heard . . . . .

  • Mike E. says:

    Boulder,
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    That was Ireland though. He had one year we almost had a very good O-line, but it was held together with scotch tape. Now we have Hickey, and not saying he was 100% responsible, but TB had a damned good O-line.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    I also believe the chances of landing Eric Winston has increased with the hiring of Benton, being Winston was drafted by the Texans in 2006. He’s got 6 years of experience working with Benton in the ZBS.
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    Winston will be cheap, can contribute right away, and can mentor the rooks we draft this year.

    • Dbolt says:

      WADE SMITH for LG

    • Ken says:

      Winston could easily land in Baltimore as they likely do not re-sign Oher and bring in Winston who is a big Kubiak fan.

    • convict says:

      Winston is too good to be signed and his last name starts with the wrong letter. What other 32 year old + journeyman RTs are out there whose last name starts with a “C” for us to sign? We need to continue the tradition… Colombo, Clabo,… ?

  • Dbolt says:

    Boulder,
    They could implement the ZBS pretty easily just by signing OG’s that fit that system. Viable FA options that can be had would be former Dolphin Wade Smith, Jon Asomoah, Zane Beadles.

    • BoulderPhinFan says:

      Why do we have to run ZBS? I just don’t get it. The niners and the seahawks run WCO without running ZBS and last time I looked they rush the ball pretty effectively.
      .
      It seems to me finding the right o-linemen to run ZBS is not that easy.

      • Dbolt says:

        You’d have to ask the coaches involved, but the staff we currently have in place all seem geared towards the ZBS. We also don’t know if those OL is really that difficult….remember it was Ireland picking our OL the last couple of years.

  • stanger says:

    Found this an interesting take. If you apply it to what the Phins have done — apparently we built around Henne like he would never be more than Joe Lunch Pail QB, but are planning for Tanny to be elite.
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    Former Chicago Bears general manager Jerry Angelo…was critical of the New England Patriots’ team-building approach in 2013.
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    “When you have a great quarterback, you need to give him as many quality receivers as possible, regardless of where they are aligned on the field…..When you look at New England, the strengths of their offense was their line and running backs. When you break down Denver, it was their tight end and receivers.
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    “I believe, if you don’t have an elite QB, you build your offense the way New England did, from the inside out. Protect the quarterback with a good offensive line and run the ball. A large part of your passing game is going to be based off run action. On the other hand, if you have a quarterback who sets the standard at his position, you built it around him from the outside in, meaning with top-notch receivers.”

    • convict says:

      Yeah, I saw that. I got to say its a bit hard to be critical of the Pats when they made it to the AFC Championship game with all those injuries.

      Interesting take on projecting the approach on the Phins. I suspect Angelo meant that once the QB is established as elite or not… and we don’t know that yet of Tannehill.

      • stanger says:

        I do like the thought of tailoring your approach to what you got. Good minds do that. Shula won with both ground and pound and Air Marino.

  • Old Dolfan says:

    KEN; GIGI is MUCH BETTER LOOKING than Aponte.
    AND – – – ARE YOU READY FOR THIS – – – GIGI KNOWS MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN APONTE!!—–Aponte is a numbers cruncher who wouldn’t know a first-round draft pick talent if he bit her in the ASS!!—-
    SADLY, that is the type of knowledge level appointed and supported by ROSS during his time as franchise owner, THUS THE FIVE CONSECUTIVE NON-WINNING SEASONS!!
    ———–
    I’m hoping Ross’s more recent hires will turn this franchise around pronto!! –But forgive me if I retreat to my age-old motto: “SHOW ME.”

    • Ken says:

      I am actually not all that anti Aponte. For what her role is supposed, numbers crunching, she has done a good job with that. We have now for the last 2 years have had significant cap space come FA. For that I am okay with Aponte. In regards to the rumors about how much power and influnence she holds in the organization I have no idea of what to make of it. Does she have too much or is this just some misogynist sentiment being expressed in a male dominated profession? I really don’t know.

      • Old Dolfan says:

        KEN; I’m afraid Aponte stepped outside her area of knowledge (accounting) and entered the areas of football talent and evaluating in her quest to oust Ireland. While I sympathize with her views on Ireland, I believe people other than Aponte should have been leading the charge to upgrade the performance of the GM position. –The fact she assumed this role suggests to me that those advising ROSS (Peterson et al) needed to be prodded to force Ireland’s firing.) AND THAT’s NOT GOOD!

        • Ken says:

          If she is the one who got Ireland fired then I like her even more but I think Ireland did that all on his own when this team tanked and all of his draftees didn’t play.

  • Mike E. says:

    Stanger,
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    It’s hard to argue with what NE has done. How many division titles, and AFC championships do they have?

    • stanger says:

      He was just talking this year……and who beat who. And hey……Pats have been up their for a while and pre-Manning Denver had a record about like ours last year. So they’ve come a lot further.
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      But main thing I took from that was Angelo’s approach to how you build depending on how good your QB is. I’d never thought of it exactly like that before.

  • Ken says:

    It would be comical if it ever turned out that Aponte was behind the Fire Ireland banner. LOL.

    • Old Dolfan says:

      APONTE DENIES she made the protest signs during the public protests at the Dolphins Davie headquarters!! – – She also denies putting sugar in Ireland’s BMW.

  • Mike E. says:

    OD – FWIW, I share that motto. I should have been born in Missouri

  • Old Dolfan says:

    I SEE there’s an article concerning “Should Hickey bring ex-Bucs GM Mark Dominik with him??” – – NOO-O-O-O-O-O-O !!! —- Mark Dominik is the ONLY GM in the NFL who, in my view, actually underperformed JEFF IRELAND over the last 4 years!! –If ROSS wants this franchise to GET WORSE, HE SHOULD HIRE DOMINIK!!

  • Ken says:

    I mean who is the ultimate power here on this blog? It’s Gigi. Just like Aponte in Davie. LOL.

  • Tim Knight says:

    So we changed OL coaches?

  • Gigi says:

    OD: Thank you lol I am disturbed as to how much power this mysterious woman has in our organization and the fact she seems to be a distraction/obstacle.

  • Al in MIA says:

    Stanger,

    Angelo is talking about actually being elite and not being someone who ‘may’ be elite (clearly Tanny is not elite at the moment so his argument says the Fins are stupid for not going inside out given their raw talent at QB).
    Besides, Angelo’s analysis is a bit shot considering Denver filled the WR spots with Tebow & Orton at QB.
    Denver’s intentions were not good and were aided by a bit of luck and that luck was the SUCK FOR LUCK that made Peyton expendable in Indy and available.
    Same for KC, who staffed the positions around the QB position but never addressed the QB position. They benefited from a situation where Alex Smith became available or else they would still be having problems today.
    Moreover, Angelo is suggesting NE has a talent problem at WR and I disagree. They have an inexperience problem and that’s quite different than having a talent issue. Aaron Dobson is a good talent and Thompkins came out of no where to show he will be a decent 2. The Patriots just didn’t expect to lose so much experience overnight (both TE & other injuries). They will be fine in 3 years.

    • Ken says:

      But Denver had a real good line in the Orton and Tebow years already. WR was a bigger need for them than OL that’s why they added guys like Thomas and Decker.

      • Dbolt says:

        Thomas and Deck were there with Tebow and Orton also. I think they were in year #3 when Peyton came aboard. Those 2 came along with Tebow in the same draft.

      • Al in MIA says:

        It’s true, they did build from the inside out (they had a power run offense and strong D model) but that Angelo article suggests Denver put playmakers around Manning and that wasn’t the case.

    • stanger says:

      Good points — but I still found Angelo’s concept of interest, whether he was right in applying it to the two teams that hit the championship or not. For me, put all the more importance on Tanny playing well given the strengths of this team right now.

  • SB7MVP says:

    Baby its cold outside

  • Tim Knight says:

    From the other blog last night. I’m not the biggest Billy Joel fan either, but I like plenty of his songs and the guy is just so good still. I was so impressed last night.

  • Gigi says:

    convict
    on January 28, 2014 at 10:01 am said:
    I saw on twitter that she had recently split up with someone too… I bet that “someone” was Ireland.
    *
    *
    Yeah that someone still stalking me/is after me seems he can’t handle me saying adios. I feel like I have regressed a few years back to where I was with the Jets fan. Oh the Jets fan wants me back too. I need to go away to some remote island lol. SMH

  • Mike E. says:

    Convict,
    *
    Willie Colon is perfect.

  • New Age says:

    Hickie was my last thought of guy I wanted but he is a long term talent evaluator and he has worked with some really decent coaches. He also has to work a lot better with Philbin than Ireland ever did. At least now we can make some mocks that are probably more accurate than with Ireland. We could guess his first pick but he passed on a lot of top talent(everyone does though).

    I really like our new coaches so maybe we pull something out this year. I hope so and the team is fortunate the draft is later now.

    • stanger says:

      Biggest thing I know about him right now is that the GMs and HCs kept changing in Tampa…..but Hickey stayed for 18 years. He must be easy to work with and fairly impressive at what he does. Good signs for less drama behind the scenes in Davie next season.

      • New Age says:

        Yeah, guy has to know something about talent after all those years. They’ve had some very good players over time as well. I’m just glad we picked someone and we can finally move forward. The search was just draining to hear about all the time. I hate our media.

  • stanger says:

    Ken on January 28, 2014 at 10:08 am said:
    I mean who is the ultimate power here on this blog? It’s Gigi. Just like Aponte in Davie. LOL.
    ————-
    LOL Ken. But different structure here. Only two in the power elite, not three (and no Ross). Who has final say I can’t be sure of cause the contracts are confidential…….even if Mando, Omar and Schefter continue to speculate. :)

  • New Age says:

    Did anyone listen to Mike and Mike this morning? They talked about top 5 QBs ever and our boy(13) got some love from them and mainly Linda Kohn(guest). It’s always good to hear.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      That is good to hear! Be he’ll always be #1 in my eyes, hands down.

      • Al in MIA says:

        Kinda like I will always be upset that Don Shula couldn’t find a competent RB or OL that could push Buffalo just 1 fucking yard off the line on a critical 3rd/4th down up in Buffalo.

        • New Age says:

          Yeah, or that Marino was injured early in the year he probably had the best team assembled since the early 70s. Went thru 4 QB(?) that year and still looked amazing. I really think we would have won it all that year. Marino looked amazing before the injury.

    • TryPod says:

      also a lot of talk that Seattle was looking to take Tanne with the 15th(?) pick in that draft but the Dolphins got him.

  • Ken says:

    OD:

    Response for you about Aponte up above.

  • Mike E. says:

    Tim,
    *
    I’ve always liked Billy Joel. Been to a bunch of his concerts, and I’m pretty sure I told you, my wife won tickets to his show in September at MSG from Q104.3 – I’m really looking forward to it. I hope they’re good seats, I have no idea.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Very cool. We sat in the 200s and the seats were fine. His piano rotates. It’s not a complex over the top stage setup. Just him and his band. They were fantastic.

      • Mike E. says:

        Glad you enjoyed. I could have went to last nights concert too, my bud had an extra ticket, but Mondays are a bitch for me. I go food shopping, and I make dinner for me and my son when dana is in NYC working.

  • Gigi says:

    Mike Westhoff was on Joe Rose Show this morning and said he was puzzled we hired Hickey he thought Gaine should have been promoted – I found that interesting and also Dan Marino said he knew absolutely nothing about Hickey and had spoken to Ross about the GM search. Telling.

  • SB7MVP says:

    I really dont understand the push to get Marino into the front office. What exactly would he bring to the table?

  • Mike E. says:

    I feel bad for Randy, I heard it’s going to be about -40 in Minny. That’s freaking HARSH!

    • Old Dolfan says:

      Should hit the mid-70’s today in Tampa Bay. Will be near 80 in the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale area today. Playing the Super Bowl in sub-freezing temperatures makes more sense.

  • Old Dolfan says:

    MISS GIGI: See my response to Ken below his 10:07 response to my 10:03 entry. I AM DEEPLY TROUBLED by these recent turns of events since Ireland’s firing. It seems like an accountant is making major football talent decisions regarding WHO actually picks the talent.
    ———
    THOSE wanting to read my comments on the upcoming SUPER BOWL and the state of the Dolphins are invited to browse my entry at the bottom of the prior page I’d cut and paste it but this computer either won’t do it OR I’m doing something wrong b/c I’ve been unable, despite Stanger’s instructions, to cut and paste one letter on this damn thing!!

    • Gigi says:

      Why is our accountant involved with press conferences after games and having Philbin read from cue cards?

    • stanger says:

      OD — maybe hands on instructions would help. Next time you have one of your grandkids over lead them to your computer and ask them how to cut and paste.

  • Jahndoh says:

    Tim,

    I’ve seen Billy Joel in a stadium. He rocks. I’m not a huge fan either, but that show is a spectacle you don’t want to miss if you get the chance. “I may be crazy” “We will all go down together” “The entertainer”, “Piano Man”…too many people think of Christy Brinkley and “Uptown Girl”, but bottom line is..Joel rocks and he’s got probably a thousand songs in his portfolio. Christy made him lose his edge for a couple years, that’s all…

  • Gigi says:

    Rizz ‏@Rizzmigizz
    Snow in Florida? Forecasters Issue Winter Storm Warning http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2014/01/snow_in_florida_forecasters_is.php … via @NewTimesBroward

    • Al in MIA says:

      The whole South is fucked as they aren’t prepared like the North when it comes to handling snow. Roads will likely stay untreated in most areas.

  • Mike E. says:

    Gigi,
    *
    To be fair, would you be happy with Gaine?

    • Gigi says:

      No I wouldn’t I found it very interesting that Westhoff said that and Marino had no frigging clue who Hickey was yet spoke to Ross about the GM search.

  • Gigi says:

    Also, take a look at this and you will see why Ireland was fired:
    Gigi ‏@Mrs2620
    Our new GM couldn’t possibly do worse then Jeff Ireland his incompetence was staggering @MiamiDolphins !!
    http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2013/12/31/rookie-fail-no-draft-class-had-less-snaps-in-2013-than-the-miami-dolphins/

    • Ken says:

      Agreed. I don’t know how much Aponte mattered in having Ireland fired. I think Ireland did that all by himself.

    • BoulderPhinFan says:

      I don’t think the rookies not playing is all Ireland’s fault. Philbin has to take some blame in all of this.

  • Gigi says:

    BBL busy here

  • SB7MVP says:

    Matter of Trust
    Goodnight Saigon
    She’s always a woman
    Shameless

    Those are my top Billy Joel songs

  • Old Dolfan says:

    SNOW IN FLORIDA?? – – SOME OF US CONSIDER Pensacola and Tallahassee and the rest of the panhandle as part of south Georgia/Alabama. –The “Redneck Riviera” is well known for occasional snowfall.–Conversely, the “Real Florida” –the part from Orlando southward, rarely gets snow!!

    • Old Dolfan says:

      OUT FOR Several hours.

    • Al in MIA says:

      lol @ redneck riviera.
      Yea even the people in Jax consider Pensacola/Destin as being ‘Southern Alabama”. Hell, they aren’t even on the same time zone as the rest of the state.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Here’s some data on John Benton, our new “Assistant O-Line Coach”
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    http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coaches/john-benton/aa5a8e16-e5e0-48ad-bd9f-9f0dc824e854/#

  • SB7MVP says:

    Force Field Philbin is still dodging assaults I see lol

  • Wyoming85 says:

    How much could Westhoff know?
    He’s a Stej reject now isn’t he?

  • Tim Knight says:

    Boulder, Philbin’s job is to play guys who can help him win, not start rookies just because.

    • Ken says:

      Agreed. I think the lack of playing time for rookies is symptomatic of the break down in the relationship between Ireland and Philbin. Ireland was building a team in his image regardless of what the image and evaluation of talent the coach had.

      • BoulderPhinFan says:

        Good coaches try and get the best out of their players by designing plays to fit their players.
        .
        We’ll see what philbin does this year now that him and his supporters don’t have Ireland to blame for everything that’s wrong with this team.

    • BoulderPhinFan says:

      So you think all other coaches in the NFL would have used Dion Jordan as sparingly as philbin did last year? Sorry I don’t buy it.

      • stanger says:

        Might been different if Vernon wasn’t showing it and Jordan wasn’t coming off an injury. Jordan himself said he knew he wouldn’t play much last season.

      • Tim Knight says:

        He was coming off of a shoulder injury. Everyone knows that but continues to ignore it. Jordan himself said he knew his reps would be limited this year.
        *
        Good coaches play the guys who can help the team win, not to appease the GM’s candy store desires or the fans and media.

        • BoulderPhinFan says:

          Excuses. I bet Jordan would have played more if another team had drafted him.
          .
          What do you expect him to say after his reps were limited. Oh I could play more but coach decided not to play me?

          • Tim Knight says:

            Okay, they didn’t play him more because they thought he’d be fantastic and they didn’t want that.

  • Dbolt says:

    In regards to Marino’s knowledge of Hickey, I’m not overly concerned. As I mentioned before Hickey could have been mentioned to Ross by Dungy. We know that Ross talks to Tony, so maybe he recieved a vote of confidence from Dungy about Hickey. Everything is speculation and doesn’t matter at this point. Hickey is our GM and that’s the only definitive item.

  • Dbolt says:

    Currently 2 degrees out with a wind chill of -14 right now. The wind chills will once again dip to between -20 to -30 tonight. Gald I don’t live near Randy :)

    • convict says:

      It was -11 degrees out when I left my hotel here in Madison this morning. Wind chills were much lower – I don’t even know. All I know is that I just wanted to curl in a ball and die.

  • CavalierKong says:

    SteveCCNV on January 28, 2014 at 9:43 am said:
    CavalierKong on January 27, 2014 at 10:52 am said:
    In my estimation we looked ridiculous during this GM search. We came out with, at best, our 4th or 5th choice. The guy we got comes from a team that was also looking for a GM and our guy didn’t even get an interview with them. Scary. All that being said, it’s done, he’s the guy and even though everything above is true, it doesn’t mean this guy will suck. Maybe he’ll do a good job for us. We can hope. I’ll support the team going forward and give this new regime a chance. Fingers crossed.
    ——————————————————-
    Then you should look further into this hiring instead of just reading what the assholes in the media are saying.
    !
    Someone on here yesterday wrote, that his stability of of being in Tampa for 18 is something we could use. I want to add to that, that if he spent 18 yrs on one team he’s got to be able to get along with others, which might be more important than almost anything else.
    !
    In the end, the circus that the media has portayed us as being, may be all BS. Seems like he can evaluate talent, I would assume he was part of the Bucs staff when they won the SB in the early 2000s.
    ———————————
    Steve,
    For me it comes down to known facts and no matter how you spin it we were turned down by the first couple of guys we offered the job too, a couple of the top candidates wouldn’t even interview and the guy we hired was a known commodity to the Bucs and he didn’t even get an interview with them. He was with them 18 years so he’s a known commodity to them and they didn’t give him an interview. That isn’t media spin, those are FACTS. All that being said, I’ll reiterate what I said in my post, I’ll support the guy and hold out hope he does a good job for us.

  • convict says:

    On Marino being involved in the organization – which I am a big proponent of… I would see him as the person to close the deal on big deals. Whether its free agents, coaching hires, deals with the city, etc… Marino would have the gravitas to get that stuff done. He would also play a “president” role in making sure the organization is unified and all working towards the same vision/goal. Its effectively things that Ross has tried to do, but hasn’t been very good at.

    Its not going to happen – so its pretty much a waste of time to chat about it… but given that someone asked above what type of role Marino would play… that’s my answer.

    • SB7MVP says:

      Thats all well and good but I havent seen anything in Marinos history that show he’s qualified for the role you see him playing.

      • Al in MIA says:

        Look at Michael Jordan and the Wizards or even the Bobcats….SMH.

        • convict says:

          Jordan is much more hands on than what Marino would do. Jordan has input into personnel decisions. This is more of a business role – not really much on the details on the football side. Hickey identifies that he wants to sign Peyton Manning? Marino calls him up. Remember – Manning only agreed to meet with the phins AFTER Marino called him and asked. He didn’t return Ross’s calls.

          If you are a front line FA or coach, or city official… who is going to have more impact. Marino or Ross?

  • SB7MVP says:

    Im not buying this big disconnect between Philbin and Ireland.

    • BoulderPhinFan says:

      I’m not buying this idea that all of our problems last year were because of Ireland draft or Ireland o-line or Ireland FA signings.
      .
      We beat good teams with these same players. We lost to crappy teams with these same players. Coaches have to take a lot of the blame as well.

      • Al in MIA says:

        Yep. Ireland wasn’t responsible for just about every team outrushing the Fins in the play calling department. There were plenty of games where the opposing team called more run plays than Miami and averaged less yards per carry.

      • convict says:

        Agreed.

    • Ken says:

      I think there was a big disconnect. That said it doesn’t relieve Phibin for the things that are appropriately his fault such as play calling and some questionable uses of personnel like Egnew at Fullback. But I have no dobut that Philbin and Ireland were not on the same page.

  • Al in MIA says:

    BoulderPhinFan on January 28, 2014 at 10:48 am said:

    So you think all other coaches in the NFL would have used Dion Jordan as sparingly as philbin did last year? Sorry I don’t buy it.
    ——————–
    Agree, to some extent Sherman & Philbin valued experience over pure talent and that is wrong at a professional sports level. You have to use the talent you have; it’s the nature of every sport.

    • Tim Knight says:

      They played plenty of rookies. First season the QB and RT were rookies. Guys who are hurt or are coming off of injuries is a tricky situation and some continue to ignore that issue. Just play them regardless. That would be dumb!

      • Al in MIA says:

        I agree that injuries are tricky, there is no right answer but none the less that is why i said ‘to some extent’.

    • Ken says:

      But in 2012 They played rookies extensively notably Tannehill and Martin.

      • Al in MIA says:

        They played Tannehill because Sherman wanted it that way…He was his pet project at TAMU. The other guys weren’t. Martin started because they were that desperate.

        • Ken says:

          Maybe so but they played rookies. I don’t know how much you can read into the not playing rookies this year. We were certainly desperate this year on OL and yet no Dallas Thomas.

          • Al in MIA says:

            We shall know next season what the deal is with Thomas. For all you know, Aponte might have told Philbin that not playing these guys would surely get Ireland canned.

        • Tim Knight says:

          I don’t get why some rookies starting has a legit reason and others didn’t just because. They play who can help the team win and that’s it. I think too much is made out of it. Playing rookies just to do it is reckless.
          1. Jordan (coming off of shoulder injury)
          2. Taylor (multiple injuries)
          3. Thomas (coming off of shoulder injury)
          3. Davis (off and on injuries)

  • Rockphin says:
  • Tim Knight says:

    So Florida is getting snow?

  • Rockphin says:

    Ken on January 28, 2014 at 9:42 am said:

    Does this spell the end of Turner?
    *
    IMO not immediately. John Benton was hired as Turner’s assistant to replace the guy that left the team mid-season last year.

  • herdfan says:

    Tim:
    I saw where you went to a Billy Joel concert last night. I saw him together with Elton John at Busch Stadium back in the early 90’s. 5th Row seats. 2 grand pianos sort of yin yang style on the stage. They each played separately, then together. Played their own stuff, Joel did some Elton Johns songs and vice versa. Still one of the best concerts I’ve been to.

  • convict says:

    I think the disconnect between the GM and coach started with us drafting guys at positions of relative strength. Draft 2 CBs, but expect them to play ahead of Grimes, Patterson, Carroll, Wilson – when all 4 of them played well this year? Not going to happen.

    Jordan had 2 issues. The 2 starters were prolific for most of the year. Also, the coaching staff didn’t trust him in potential running situations, so they played Shelby a lot. He has got to improve his run defense. And the coaching staff needs to get more creative in using him.

    I think Thomas and Gillisee are issues. They should have played more given our issues at those positions – but they were busts as rookies.

    • SB7MVP says:

      They didnt use Jordan in obvious passing downs when teams were marching during the 2 minute drill either while Wake was watching from the sidelines. I saw that multiple times.

  • Ken says:

    Al in MIA
    on January 28, 2014 at 11:12 am said:
    We shall know next season what the deal is with Thomas. For all you know, Aponte might have told Philbin that not playing these guys would surely get Ireland canned.
    _______________________________________________
    I don’t buy that he was not playing guys purposely to get Ireland fired. That could have easily resulted in Philbin getting fired if true. The more likely explanation is that there was a disconnect between HC and GM on what talent we needed and the talent evaluation process. Both HC and GM share in the blame for that imo.

  • BoulderPhinFan says:

    If a talented player doesn’t fit your scheme then design a scheme that fits your players talent. Is that concept too hard for philbin to understand?

  • Brian in NY says:

    Tim,
    Glad you enjoyed the concert last night . I saw Billy Joel on New Years Eve in 1989 with nine buddies from high school. He played for five hours, counted down with the crowd and everything . Great performer and great musician.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Convict, I think Gillslits will be good if he is in the weight room right now putting on a lil more muscle weight. We just need to be rid of the DT3 Experience…IMO.

  • convict says:

    To continue my role as a contrarian – I don’t like Billy Joel. He may be a good performer – but his music is too ordinary for me. Its good for when u are drunk and fighting with your wife and can kick out a few lines of “just the way you are”, “she’s always a woman”, or “she’s got a way” – and all of a sudden life is grand again. But, I wouldn’t say I am a fan of Billy Joel on a football blog. Pussies.

  • convict says:

    I saw Battye Lavette a couple of weeks ago. Fantastic R&B singer who was shunned from the music industry during the 60s and 70s. Finally successful – fantastic emotion, voice, performer. Did a version of “like a rock” by Bob Seger that will make a grown man cry. Highly recommended if she is in town.

  • SB7MVP says:

    Ken,
    Im not talking about being asked about Ireland Im talking about him talking about the draft before and after and about specific players he was more than okay with drafting.

  • Tim Knight says:

    Tom Odell opened for Billy Joel last night. He and his band were very good as well. He’s a young British artist who is also a pianist and vocalist.

  • The Flying Pig says:

    I don’t think Gillessee is any more a bust than Lamar Miller was last year
    Dallas Thomas is a big ? To me and worries me
    It makes no sense that he didn’t see the field given the problems on the OL

    • Tim Knight says:

      He was coming off of the same type of shoulder injury Jordan had. They also worked him at tackle due to our issues at the position and he backed up McKinnie and Clabo.

    • Dbolt says:

      Dallas needed to gain strength no matter what when he came into the league, but having shoulder surgery prior to the draft really put him behind. He was no where near strong enough this year.

  • The Flying Pig says:

    Lazor and Benton Te both good hires
    I just hope this franchise has the porcine vision to draft Lache Seastrunk
    (Piggy cliches his trotters together)
    Fucking Oink!

    • Ken says:

      Piggy;

      What’s your opinion on Tre Mason from Auburn? I came away really impressed with him at the end of last season.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    I’ve always called Billy Joel the littlest dumbass I’ve every seen…
    …who cheats. pisses off, & let’s a wife like Christine Brinkley get away???? SMH :shock:

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Who’s Dallas Thomas???
    …oh, another one of those many draft filler picks by our beloved Jeffro….UGH!
    _____________________

    Miami is on the clock….Jeffro panics, can’t make a decision, then has Gaine throw dart at board of 300 names.

  • Mike E. says:

    I don’t think Thomas is a bust either, we just have to find a coach that can use him, Egnew, Miller, Gillislee and Jordan before their contracts expire.

  • Dbolt says:

    GDP,
    Thomas outside of power had an identical skill set to Jonathan Cooper. Thomas needs a full off-season in the weight room to gain that. Really good skill set to work with.

  • Tim Knight says:

    I was just thinking the 49ers have Marcus Lattimore waiting in the wings don’t they?

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Yes, they do. And it’s going to lead to them releasing Frank Gore. Remember that they also have LaMichael James and Kendall Hunter.

  • Ken says:

    Alright. Lunch time. BBL. Peace.

  • Dbolt says:

    And today we learn that Ken hangs out with Mark Sanchez :)

  • BoulderPhinFan says:

    We gave up a draft pick for him so why not if he comes cheap.
    .
    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly

    I’d be pretty comfortable with Dolphins re-signing McKinnie, drafting Morgan Moses to play OT, Wesley Johnson to play OG, & signing OG FA

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    DBolt, I love the college stats and your optimism on Dallas Thomas….if he is gonna bite as a young pup, it is NOW in 2014! Hope you, Jeffro, & Philbin got one right.

    • Dbolt says:

      Actually in regards to the strength thing, it is something Al and I were talking about way before Miami drafted him. Like I said really good movement skills and strong hands……he just didn’t have that brute force that Cooper had. We will see this year, the shoulder surgery really set him back.

    • Al in MIA says:

      I’m still puzzled by Dallas Thomas not being used. I saw him line up just fine at RT in the last preseason game without a bum shoulder slowing him down. He did have issues early on in camp looking like shit but he looked more than OK in the last 2 preseason games. There is no way he is worse than some of the guards that got on the field this season. For whatever reason, he was being held back (maybe as insurance for the OT position) or for reasons of making him a permanent OT which requires an adjustment from playing OG his final year at UTenn. We shall see what transpires in 2014. I’m still confident he got game.

      • Dbolt says:

        I thought he looked better at the end of PS, but still not as strong as what he was in college, which left a little to be desired. If he doesn’t find a way into the rotation this season, then I’ll worry.

  • BoulderPhinFan says:
  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Ken, from Auburn I like Dee Ford, the DE/OLB. He is quick off the snap, and has a nose for the ball.

  • Mike E. says:

    M,
    *
    I’d be shocked if the Niners release Gore. He’s the heart of that team.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      He’ll be 31 come kickoff this year. He’s almost at 10,000 career Rushing Yards. He’s not going to last much longer.
      *
      Not saying he’ll be released THIS year, but most assuredly next if not this year.

    • Al in MIA says:

      Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams got the same treatment :/

  • Tim Knight says:

    Al, I think Thomas has a strength issue due to his shoulder rehab.

    • Al in MIA says:

      There are a lot of things that didn’t make sense with the 2013 Dolphins but the season is in the past at least.
      2014 will be better one can only hope.
      Btw, as bad as the protection was in 2013, most people don’t realize the 2011 team had a worse sack rate (sacks per pass play).

  • convict says:

    Probably only interesting to me… but I remember Seastrunk from during college recruiting. He was in the same class as Lattimore and Michael Dyer. Auburn got Dyer, Lattimore went to South Carolina, and Seastrunk went to Oregon. They were the top 3 that year. Seastrunk was in the middle of that recruiting scandal at Oregon… he ended up getting released from his scholarship and went to Baylor.

    Great athlete – would love him on our team… but I don’t think it will happen.

    • Al in MIA says:

      My sentiments exactly (Fins will need to go for other positions). Would have been perfect to have a guy with a name like SEAS-trunk on a marine animal themed team such as the Dolphins lol.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I don;t know why you guys are cinvinced it won;t happen
      Didn;t some one like Hyde or Abramson just write don;t be surprised if we do not draft a RB early

      *******
      FYI Seastrunk is on e of those few guys that was an elite athlete in high school and was able to continue to be elite in talent in college

  • Mike E. says:

    M,
    *
    That’s a lot different. He was very productive, and they leaned on him all year long. he’s the main cog in that offense.

  • Al in MIA says:

    MF13,
    Would be interesting to see if Tre Mason is somebody the Niners are looking at. Sounds like a luxury but as you mentioned, the Harbaugh read-option scheme would be a perfect situation for him.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Mason is a stud… and should the 9’ers select him, that would likely mark the end of Frank Gore. They could trade him at that point to a suitor who wants to pay him $6.45M this season.

  • Dbolt says:

    2011 team had a worse sack rate (sacks per pass play).
    *
    Thank you for that clarification! I was about to agree and say yeah, the 2011 teamed seemed to have a lot less sacks on that team, but realize now you were talking about sacking the QB :)

    • Al in MIA says:

      lol.
      9.6% sack rate in 2011 according to Football Outsiders’s analysis.
      6.8% sack rate in 2012.
      8.6% sack rate in 2013.
      However, one thing that people should notice are the teams that are in the bottom half of the rankings.
      Philadelphia & Seattle had worse sack rates than Miami but then again, they didn’t need to pass as much given their running ability.
      SF ranked 22, GB 26. Indy was 6 which shows you how good Luck probably is.

  • Dbolt says:

    Keep your eyes open on a guy like Franklyn Quiteh from BloomU. Polian has compared him to Ray Rice recently and will be had late in the draft or as a UDFA.

  • stanger says:

    You may not like Ross, but how would you like Jerry Jones as your owner/GM?
    ———————
    With the cap projected at $126.3 million….Dallas will need to shave about $20 million just to get there. And I’ll take our team over the Boys right now.

  • Marinofan13 says:
  • Tim Knight says:

    My guess is when Lattimore is ready to take on the workload, that is when Gore will be released.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    For whatever it may be worth, Frank Gore was PFF’s #1 pass-blocking RB this past season. #2 was MJD.

  • BoulderPhinFan says:

    mf13,
    After last year I don’t want to wait until the draft to settle the o-line. We don’t even know if Philbin will play anyone we draft.

  • CavalierKong says:

    convict on January 28, 2014 at 11:30 am said:
    To continue my role as a contrarian – I don’t like Billy Joel. He may be a good performer – but his music is too ordinary for me. Its good for when u are drunk and fighting with your wife and can kick out a few lines of “just the way you are”, “she’s always a woman”, or “she’s got a way” – and all of a sudden life is grand again. But, I wouldn’t say I am a fan of Billy Joel on a football blog. Pussies.
    ————-

    LMAO!

  • Marinofan13 says:

    The way I see it, we drafted two CBs early last year. ONE of them should be able to start this year. Dimitri Patterson could very easily be cut due to his $5.4M he’s scheduled to make this year. Take that $5.4M and try to sign Frank Gore in the event the 49ers cut him.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Miami is home for Gore.

    • Al in MIA says:

      I think Patterson will be cut. The investments were too high in the other picks and it’s a luxury at this point to keep Patterson over another position along the DL/OL front given the huge problems there.

  • Al in MIA says:

    MF13,
    Good stuff but so many backs I coiuld go with (lots of talent coming out).
    I’m riding the Gaffney or Storm Johnson train at this point as the cheaper than high end options.
    Andre Williams is a stud but his shoulder injury and injury proneness are a concern so not sure how comfortable I feel about him.
    Both Florida State backs are intriguing (Wilder being the guy i like better), Rajion Neal & Atkinson III as well.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Glad to have you aboard the Gaffney train!!!

      • Al in MIA says:

        I’ve been on his train for a bit but haven’t said much, lol. The explosive burst he shows in his game is what makes me go WOWzers.

    • Dbolt says:

      Only guy I don’t like is Andre Williams. Jerome Smith from Syracuse is a guy people should be aware of also.

      • Al in MIA says:

        There’s always a game that defines a guy for me and Andre Williams performance vs FSU’s defense sold me on him. He does have some fumblenitis and injury concerns but don’t know how much of the fumblenitis was due to injuries etc or how the shoulder injury will affect him in the long run.

        • Dbolt says:

          That game sold me more on their OL. To me when I watch him I just don’t like his speed to the LOS and the fact that he will get your QB killed in pass pro. Outside of that he is tough on the secondary when he has a head of steam.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I am a huge fan of Andre Williams
      big problem
      0 receptions at BC
      but the guy is a power back among power backs
      he runs harder than anyone else

      *****
      The injury will probably drop him

  • The Flying Pig says:

    Ken
    on January 28, 2014 at 11:54 am said:
    Piggy;

    What’s your opinion on Tre Mason from Auburn? I came away really impressed with him at the end of last season.
    **************

    I like Mason a lot
    I hate to compare someone with an all time great byut he remind me of Emmitt Smith b/c of his size and the fact that he runs hard
    If he does a tenth of what Emmitt did in his career he would be an outtanding pick
    I think he might be the first RB selected int he draft
    *****
    I prefer Seastrunk to Mason but Mason is pretty damn good

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Stanger,
    *
    Reply to you above!

    • stanger says:

      LOL — no need to OD me when it is just a few up. :)
      *
      Obviously, Gore would be an asset at the right price. So question would be what that is. He’s still only 30 and coming off a mighty fine season. But still he is an RB. Maybe teams would be hesitant to take him at that price, which might make him untradeable.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        That’s what I’m saying: he’s nearly untradeable at $6.45M, coupled with his age. He’ll likely be cut instead of traded.
        *
        At which point (and upon cutting Dimitri Patterson), we get him for Patterson’s money.

  • Tim Knight says:
    • Marinofan13 says:

      That’s a very interesting story. Thanks for sharing!

    • Al in MIA says:

      Crazy.
      If only he had been older to afford a real defense attorney. I’m pretty sure they got fucked by some public defender (sorry my lawyer friends in here).

      • stanger says:

        “his grandmother a life sentence for cocaine distribution”
        *
        Life sentence?………something else was going on. Chances are they got it from Thomas’ side. I’ve never even heard of that before.

  • TryPod says:

    argh- Linda kohn’s voice voice is.. ugh! she’s hard for me to listen to.

  • Al in MIA says:

    MF13,
    Speaking of Gore being home for him, I saw Vilma at this place where I was having brunch at.

  • Al in MIA says:

    MF13,
    Can’t believe how much Ireland gave Misi still (in retrospect). Shouldn’t a guy prove he can play through an entire season? SMH.

  • Al in MIA says:

    Alright, time for some lunch. Laterz

  • David says:

    Bleacherreport claims that Carlos Hyde is flying under the radar and says he will thrive in the NFL.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1909550-nfl-draft-2014-under-the-radar-prospects-who-will-be-superstars-at-next-level

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Dbolt,
    *
    Only in my dreams…
    *
    EarthWAKE-Odrick-Starks-Vernon
    *
    Jordan-Ellerbe-Barr

  • Mike E. says:

    It will be interesting to see which DT we try to keep, if any. I wouldn’t be totally shocked if neither Soliai or Starks come back.

  • David says:

    MF, I’ve been looking into Tyler Gafney, and i believe he is very similar to Carlos Hyde, just 10-12 lbs lighter. Hyde remains my man crush pick for Miami, but I’d still jump for Joy if Gafney was our choice

  • The Flying Pig says:

    I we really liked Van Noy or any other OLB, there is no reason we would not be able to draft him now
    by 2015 we will be able to cut Wheeler without serious cap penalties
    My view is drafting a rookie and playing him over a high paid player you are going to eventually part with is not really a big loss
    Sort of like the Seahwaks wih Flynn/Wilson
    *****
    I feel the same about LBs as I do RBs and WRs
    I have no problem at all spending a high pick on one
    If you think you can do better go for it

  • Mike E. says:

    Our D-line was far from dominant, I think both could be gone.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      I feel our D-Line did their job. What was troubling was the lack of run-stopping from our newbies Wheeler and Ellerbe. JMO.

  • David says:

    Tim, Fl Supreme Court ruled yesterday to put medical MJ on the November ballot. The green arches signifies big corporations getting into a new budding market, lol

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Dbolt
    on January 28, 2014 at 1:35 pm said:
    *
    Never ever questioned his intelligence :)
    ———
    OH, I KNOW ya didn’t, my man! I’m just saying that this cat is SOOOO good to be able to juggle everything he does and with near perfection. His focus must be off the charts. One must wonder if he has any kind of sex life! LOL

  • stanger says:
  • David says:

    A lot of mocks have 6 OT going in the first round . We should be able to get one, then Carlos Hyde in the second

  • Tim Knight says:

    There were a bunch of Denver fans at the restaurant we went to last night (Mustang Harry’s) who I think are in for the Super Bowl. They were wearing their colors and jerseys.

    • stanger says:

      And wearing them on Monday. Shiot……If we ever make it I might wear Phins Jerseys for two weeks. And if we get to a bowl…….I will be there. Unless the wife won’t let me of course. :)

      • TryPod says:

        if they decide to hold it in Jersey again I’d advise you also bring your dolphins footy jammies, too.

        • stanger says:

          LOL Trypod — you gotta come to a game with us my friend. As a few on this board can attest — shorts and jersey at home, but I broke out the footed jammies I normally sleep in for at Jets game. :)

      • Tim Knight says:

        Yeah they were decked out. I guess they decided to make a week out of it. LOL

  • Ken says:

    No offense to our NJ contigent here but why are they putting up the players at hotels in NJ instead of NYC? So not only do the players have to play in the cold they don’t get to see NYC either?

    • Ken says:

      Don’t get me wrong there are lots of nice places in NJ but the draw to the SB is NYC.

    • David says:

      They landed at Newark , and the game is in Rutherford NJ. I’m not sure if they can visit NYC or not, but there should be time for that After the game

    • stanger says:

      Ken you are the coach of a superbowl team. You set up your players in Manhattan? If me……I fly them in from Oneonta.

      • Ken says:

        Part of the reward of making the SB is to give the players an opportunity to enjoy the local metropolis where the game is played. I am not sure East Rutherford or Newark constitutes a reward. But then again they have played the SB in Detroit so it could be worse.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    David
    on January 28, 2014 at 1:55 pm said:
    *
    As it is? If we dont fix the OL everyone in the FO gets fired. Fix the OL and get a powerback remain the two biggest needs imo
    ———-
    That is correct in my view as well. So in order to fix the O-Line, I can’t see taking Hyde in the 2nd Round. That’s all I’m saying… unless we OVERpay in FA to fix the O-Line.

    • David says:

      The problem is we have too many needs to address in one offseason. We have no choice but to address as many as possible. If You recall , right or wrong, i predicted a 3 year time line to build the team correctly after the departure of Ireland . This is year one of that

  • Marinofan13 says:

    No offense, Omar… but you are flipping and flopping on how to fix the O-Line. First, you are talking-up the FAs (that don’t come cheap). Then, you talk about drafting them (cheap labor).
    *
    It’s a little bit of both. See my draft/off-season moves, dammit.

  • Tim Knight says:

    I’m not sure a power back is something we’re looking for. I’m not saying I’m against it, I just think getting the OL right is more of a priority for the coaches.

    • Marinofan13 says:

      I think we’re looking for BOTH. But as you know, even a power back can’t run behind a defunct O-Line.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      What we really need is a RB who can make himself an assett in the passing game which has nothing to do with power back or not
      I’m not sure why everyone insists it is a pirority
      Who was the Eagles power bakc last year when Lazor was there?
      How bout another team like the 49ers?

  • Rockphin says:

    Ken on January 28, 2014 at 11:10 am said:

    Maybe so but they played rookies. I don’t know how much you can read into the not playing rookies this year. We were certainly desperate this year on OL and yet no Dallas Thomas.
    Reply ↓
    *
    You mean the same Dallas Thomas that missed off-season strength conditioning, weight lifting, OTA’s and practice because of the shoulder surgery he had??
    *
    I know this will be dismissed (again) as a post by a Philben apologist but the guy couldn’t lift of get stronger until the season started.

    • Ken says:

      But my point was that Philbin was not opposed to playing rookies in 2012 so the rookies in 2013 must have had other issues other than the alleged reluctance of Philbin to play rookies.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I’ve been saying that all year. Most of them had injury issues.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        He was opposed in 2012
        He started Tanny and Martin – that is true
        and Vernon had some playing time too
        but we had less talent in 2012
        ****
        Guys like Egnew and Miller were inactive all year

  • David says:

    Marinofan13
    on January 28, 2014 at 2:08 pm said:
    I think we’re looking for BOTH. But as you know, even a power back can’t run behind a defunct O-Line.

    We need both

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I think Tim’s point was we don’t NEED a power back
      Its sort oa a preference of many
      but a westo caost offense or a wode open offense can certainly function without a power back

      • Marinofan13 says:

        I disagree. That goes against ANY version of the WCO, going back to Bill Walsh.

        • The Flying Pig says:

          That isn’t true
          Philadephia never had a power back with Andy reid
          I don;t think the recent Green Bay teams had one (Maybe Lacy this year)
          Roger Craig was not a pwer back
          current 49er Gore certainly isn’t nor is Hunter or LeMichael James
          *********
          The WCO does not require a power running back

        • Tim Knight says:

          Not really. Versatility and cutback vision are the most important traits.

  • The Flying Pig says:

    Ken on January 28, 2014 at 1:56 pm said:
    No offense to our NJ contigent here but why are they putting up the players at hotels in NJ instead of NYC? So not only do the players have to play in the cold they don’t get to see NYC either?
    **************
    I’m not sure I want my players wandering around the City that never sleeps on Super Bowl week
    they can see the sights after the game is over on their own time
    I want my team away from temptation if I’m a coach

    • stanger says:

      Ziggy WIlson? Barrett Robbins? And those are just the two who got so wasted they couldn’t even show up for the game. Who knows how many have played with a hangover.

  • Rockphin says:

    TryPod on January 28, 2014 at 12:43 pm said:

    Seahawks- duh! lol
    *
    Ummmm not a mammal. LOL

  • David says:

    The Flying Pig
    on January 28, 2014 at 2:16 pm said:
    I think Tim’s point was we don’t NEED a power back
    Its sort oa a preference of many
    but a westo caost offense or a wode open offense can certainly function without a power back

    Serious? Did You not think Seattle WCO needs Marshawn Lynch? Wilson had pedestrian stats, Lynch is key to that team going to the Super Bowl, but we dont need that? Why not?

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Just b/c one team had success with a power back doesn’t mean every teams needs a power back….
      That is quite a huge leap in logic you are taking there David
      ****
      besides Seattle is not a WCO

  • David says:

    I have no way to prove it , but id Lynch didnt play in the NFC Championship game, Seattle would have lost and went home

    • David says:

      (Id say if )

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I doubt anyone questions that Lynch is the Seahawks offensive MVP
      but its not the point of the discussion of whether the Dolphins NEED a power back

      • David says:

        Yea, we do so good without one? Comon man, lol

        • The Flying Pig says:

          You are not making real arguments David
          You are connecting two facts and saying one leads to the other b/c both facts are true
          We did bad. We don;t have a power back (mainly b/c Dt has disappointed)
          I concede
          It doesn;t mean we NEED one
          ****
          For the record, I am not opposed to it
          I just don;t think its a foregone conclusion that its on our radar which seems to be what a lot of people are suggesting

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Pig,
    *
    Do you HONESTLY believe that Roger Craig wasn’t a power back? And just look at all of the BIG backs that the likes of WCOs have brought in (whether successful or not). I STRONGLY disagree with you, Bro.

  • The Flying Pig says:

    M13 Roger Craig played most of his career around 220lbs

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Trying to catch up to convo’s here from busy work day.
    As to Van Noy, I was beating his drum awhile back early on, glad to see others like him too, how could ya not.
    *
    As for letting Starks and/or Soliai walk…I saw other names like Linvel Joseph…my affordable “like” is on Ziggy Hood. He’s been asked to be a DE in a 3-4, so his numbers are way down, but this cat would be very very solid as a DT here….IMO….and he’s still like what 26 or 27?

  • David says:

    When Fields has to punt his ass off, thats proof enough for me we arent getting it done on the ground. Its time to get someone in here that can block and run so we can finish drives with points instead of punts

  • The Flying Pig says:

    Marinofan13
    on January 28, 2014 at 2:31 pm said:
    Gore is a GRINDER and the #1 Pass-Blocking RB in the NFL.
    **************
    But he is not a power back
    We may as well call Tre Mason a power back candidate

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Yes, Gore is a POWER back. It’s not about size, it’s about GRIND.

      • Marinofan13 says:

        MJD is another POWER back.

      • The Flying Pig says:

        Now I just think you are being too flexible as to what a power back is
        IMO Gore is not a power back
        the fact that a guy plays hard does not make him a power back
        Wes welker plays so hard he gets concussions
        Is he a physical receiver?

  • The Flying Pig says:

    Green Ellis is 222 M13 same as Craig
    Not a power back IMO
    Look at his style of running
    He is not Lynch-like. No where near it

    *****

    Here is another one for you
    How bout the Bears?
    Matt Forte is not a power back

  • Tim Knight says:

    Piggy, you can take on the power back debate, I don’t think it’s worth it. I don’t think Philbin is looking for one as a necessity.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Pig,
    *
    I’m not going to take on the “power back” debate either. I just don’t want a frail runner on downs and short; it’s that simple.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I get that
      I think Tim makes a good point though
      Its not a NEED
      I also think maybe having a FB ont he roster might solve that issue

  • David says:

    Its about having the power and heart to get a tough yard or two when needed. DT just doesnt have the ability or the heart to do it. A good powerback cant be denied over and over, he has what it takes to move the chains ., and will wear down a defense in the fourth quarters

  • Wyoming85 says:

    Tom Rathmon
    that is why we need a pass catching FB

    • Wyoming85 says:

      not a tight end in the backfield

    • The Flying Pig says:

      LOL
      good point
      The Packers under Philbin had a FB, so I don;t get not having one
      I think it hurt us more than the RBs on the roster in short yardage situations

  • Mike E. says:

    David,
    *
    I think the argument should be more along the lines that John Fox and Pete Carroll are good coaches, and and DEN and SEA don’t get to the SB without them. We need to find one of those!!! :)

    • David says:

      Lol. There are future HOF players in this years Super Bowl, and a lot of pro bowlers, talent does make a big differance. Manning took Denver there, not Tebow. We dont have many future HOF players on Miami, nor do we have top talent everywhere.

  • The Flying Pig says:

    Lets just define power back so we ar arguing about the same thing
    IMO a power back is a head down runner that is tough to tackle
    most of these guys run inside and need 15+ carries to make an impact
    Historical examples: Earl Campbell (the best ever) and jerome Bettis
    Current Examples: Marshawn Lynch, Stephen Jackson, Michael Turner
    ****
    the guys we are talking about as power backs int he draft fir this mold IMO
    (Hyde, Wilder, Andre Williams) Gaffney may be more of a tweener though

  • Mike E. says:

    Piggy,
    *
    We had an Ostrich Back instead of a FB. lol

  • David says:

    A powerback has to have power to break tackles and plow through lines for tough yards. He needs to be 220 plus, and strong as hell. He also should be fast enough to break some open. An added bonus is if he can excel catching passes too. Keith Byars was a guy i think of

    • The Flying Pig says:

      Byars is sort of an anomoly
      he is the only FB I can remember that wasn’t valued as a blocker
      I don;t think he was a great runner too
      but its not like FBs get a lot of carries since the 70s

      • David says:

        How many carries did DT get last year? We do need one, just a much better one than DT

        • The Flying Pig says:

          NEED is a strong word
          I would prefer to part ways with DT
          I like some of the talent out there
          I think its a godd year for power backs
          But like Mike E just mentioned – Polite used to do short yardage for us
          Maybe we can call a couple of QB sneeks this year….lol
          A smalled back can leap over the line
          There are ways to make short yardage happen wihtout a power back

    • Wyoming85 says:

      I loved Byers as a H-back
      but the only games He ever ran the ball was snow games
      I don’t remember him getting a bunch of 3-1’s?

  • Tim Knight says:

    I think if we had a better OL we wouldn’t discuss the RB position as much.

    • David says:

      You think Miller and DT are as good as We should ever need? Watch the Super Bowl and You will see superior talent at. Most positions over Miami but a few

    • Marinofan13 says:

      +10000
      *
      And as a reminder, our new O-Line Coach (now assistant to Jim Turner, LMAO!) made a name for himself using the ZBS to help UDFA Arian Foster become who he is today.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      I am sure it would only cause me to discuss Lach Seastrunk more…

  • David says:

    Wake, Grimes, Fields are our best players, but cant do it all by themselves. We need more players of that type of talent to try to get a Lombardi IMO.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Pig,
    *
    I HONESTLY feel that the chances of taking a RB early this year is like 1-in-1,000,000.

  • The Flying Pig says:

    Okay Humans
    I will catch up with you later
    before I leave, here is a really powerful picture of Lache Seastrunk
    http://www.duckstopshere.com/images/LacheSeastrunkRonald_MartinezGetty_Images_North_America.jpg
    powerful isn’t it?

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    David, Gore is a power type back with good solid speed. He’s 217lbs, but packed on a smaller 5’8 frame, has a very strong base.
    With that said, I’m not sure he’d be worth a ton of money for 1-2yrs. This is why I thought Blount would be good for us at a lower cost and only 26yo.

    • David says:

      Gore has too much exp. IMO. His wheels are gonna fall off soon, happens to every back late in their career. A Younger back for us will be better

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Being SERIOUS here… can ANYONE (with a straight face) say that Jim Turner is going to be our O-Line Coach this year? I mean, John Benton is to Jim Turner as Dan Marino was to Don Strock (with NO offense to Mr. Strock)
    *
    Jim Turner WILL be taking the fall for “Bully-Gate”, IMO. The writing is on the wall and ALL too easy to see.

  • Tim Knight says:

    David, not sure why you started thinking I felt the Dolphins are as good as SEA or DEN. We were talking power RBs, not rosters.

    • David says:

      Tim RB is only part of what we need, i honestly feel it will take 3 years, but OL and RB this year would help us sustain drives and make life easier for RT. Defenses can stop us on short yardage situations, we punt too much. Fields punted his ass off against jests and bills, I really dont want to see that anymore, and feel a revamp of OL and a powerback could improve the team next year while we continue building

  • Tim Knight says:

    I’ve seen Gore get stopped plenty of times when there is no hole. What he does well is he has good vision, can make a quick cut, make the first guy miss etc. and keeps his feet moving. He’s not slamming through the line using power to knock people over though.

    • GetterDone Phins says:

      I’ve seen Gore get the tough short yard and used to wear teams down in the 4th qtr…to me, that is a power type back.

      • Tim Knight says:

        Not saying he can’t run with power, but that usually comes from the OL wearing down the defense through repetition.

  • Tim Knight says:

    M13, it does seem that Turner’s job could be in jeopardy.

  • Wyoming85 says:

    Well M13SS Omar didn’t point you to the corner
    ( he didn’t answer your question either )

    • Wyoming85 says:

      whoops I forgot the F for U ;-)

      • Marinofan13 says:

        I don’t think he realizes that SCHEME dictates. Ya can’t have ogres playing in a SCHEME that is a fleet-of-foot Offense.
        *
        Omar (IMO) is under-rating SCHEME details.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    “@DexterC73: Would you have any interest in Chris Johnson if he became available?”» Tampering (pointing to the corner)

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    “@MF13SS: You can’t predict the future. Bad approach.”» Gore, Graham, Myers, TY Hilton, Sitton, Duane Brown, Flacco, Kaepernick, Langford
    *
    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    “@MF13SS: But you DIDN’T know we’d be going to a WCO back then. THAT’S my point» good players are good players in ANY scheme.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    I’m not one to chastise Omar. I just feel that he can glean FAR more than what he does, and he needs to stop with the “I know better than you” approach. I don’t think it’s going to work for him much longer.

  • Wyoming85 says:

    M13
    Sure you can run a triple option with Manning!
    Good players are good players? :-)

    • Marinofan13 says:

      LOL, EXACTLY!
      *
      But I’m not trying to crap on Omar… nor did he crap on me. I just think he needs to get back to where he came from. I don’t think he’s “GM” material, as it were.

    • Tim Knight says:

      Yeah and Chad Pennington would be great in a vertical offense.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    This is what we can hope for with Philbin & Tanny as they enter their 3rd year BABY!!!
    *
    Panthers signed coach Ron Rivers to a three-year contract extension through 2017.
    It’s been quite a turnaround for Rivera in just one calendar year. He entered the 2013 season on one of the hotter coaching seats, got off to an 0-2 start, but then turned things around and went 12-2 over the final 14 games to earn the No. 2 seed in the NFC playoffs. In his three seasons in Carolina, Rivera holds a 25-24 record, including this year’s playoff loss. However, he’s led the Panthers to wins in 17 of their last 22 regular-season games. Rivera earned the PFWA Coach of the Year honors in 2013. Carolina should be a force to be reckoned with once again in 2014.

  • Bat says:

    I noticed the comment that we need a RB who will make himself available in the passing game. I believe that the lack of production by the RB’s is on Tannehill. I can’t count the times that a back was open in the flat and completely ignored by Tanny. He is the anti-Henne, where Henne never met a check down he didn’t like, Tannehill is almost exclusively focused downfield ..Part of Tannehills maturation process has to be gaining the ability to recognize the dump off and utilize it from time to time….As many have stated, the backs are a key part of the passing game in a WCO. That was clearly not the case in whatever the fuck we were running last year.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Is why I rather see if we can sign LT Anthony Collins from Cincy @ a more reasonable price tag, then also look to what is on the board for OT’s when we draft.
    *
    FOX Sports 910 Phoenix hints LT Branden Albert will be the Cardinals’ top target in free agency.
    This isn’t the first time we’ve seen the Albert-Arizona connection; the Cardinals’ official website suggested earlier in the month that the team could make a run at Albert. Kansas City and Arizona reportedly discussed a trade involving Albert at last year’s draft. The Cardinals are up against the salary cap, but teams can work around that. Look for Albert to target a deal similar to what the Rams gave Jake Long last offseason — four years and $34 million with $16 million guaranteed.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Truth be told, I still ROOT for my man Omar. I just wish he’d see how he alienates people what with his condescending attitude in his tweets.
    *
    Hey, it’s his gig. If he doesn’t have a problem with it, he can’t be helped. He’s the ONLY beat writer that I know of who is so belligerent. He’s a contrarian (which he’s stated himself), but I just wish he’d be LESS of a contrarian.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP
    I take that back. Ross just arrived.
    21s
    Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP
    Hickey, Philbin, CEO Tom Garfinkel, VP Dawn Aponte are all in the house. Don’t see Ross.
    1m
    James Walker ✔ @JamesWalkerNFL
    Pretty packed house here in Davie.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    I hope y’all are reading what I’m reading on Twitter. I’m too lazy to post it all.

  • Bat says:

    Philbin and Aponte probably sitting in a corner, whispering and laughing while pointing at Hickey …lol

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    Steve Ross said he sought former GMs for their guidance on what to look for.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP
    Ross: Dawn Aponte will be reporting to Hickey, working with him, assisting him.

  • Bat says:

    “Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 1m
    Steve Ross said he sought former GMs for their guidance on what to look for.”
    *
    Which, in the end, made no difference because he had to settle for the only guy who would take the job …

  • Bat says:

    “James Walker ‏@JamesWalkerNFL 4m
    #Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said the GM must be joined at the hip closely with the head coach. That’s one thing he looked for.”
    *
    Sounds like he wanted to hire Philbins wife … Maybe she declined the interview …lol

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Ross: GetterDone was right, Ireland is a Jeffro! :)
    *

    Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP
    Ross: We needed to think as one in the organization. We needed everyone thinking with same mindset in all situations.
    5m
    Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP
    Ross: We made the change not because I didn’t think highly of Jeff. I have a lot of confidence in Jeff. But we needed harmony in the org.

  • Old Dolfan says:

    BAT: Hickey’s first question to Aponte: “Did Ireland give those photos of Ross with a donkey TO YOU?”

    • GetterDone Phins says:

      LOL, but more like an Orangutan with arms long enough to reach around and tug on them big ears at the same time. ;)

  • Bat says:

    “Ross: We needed to think as one in the organization. We needed everyone thinking with same mindset in all situations.”
    *
    Oh …I see ..Like the last two games where everybody’s mindset was to quit?…..

  • CavalierKong says:

    LOL, I know I’m a sucker and I know it’s all stock answers and cliche responses but I can’t help but get excited by the things Hickey is saying and about the fact we finally have a new face in the GM chair and we might see some positive changes.

  • Bat says:

    OD …LOL …If Hickey turned the job down, the donkey was the next interview …

  • TryPod says:

    Mötley Crüe just announced they are doing a final tour before disbanding. they have signed a contract affirming their intent to not tour again. Nikki Sixx said too many bands go on for too long and they don’t want to be remembered that way.
    I don’t think they’ve done anything relevant since the mid ninties, and I am not a big fan, but I did like some of their stuff and saw them at Monsters of Rock in Germany back in 85.

  • convict says:

    I don’t get this at all. This is how it was. Then Ross promoted her. Now it looks like she got demoted.

    GetterDone Phins on January 28, 2014 at 4:03 pm said:
    Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP
    Ross: Dawn Aponte will be reporting to Hickey, working with him, assisting him.

    • GetterDone Phins says:

      Making him coffee, rubbing his feet, and giving him more Hickey’s ;)

    • Tim Knight says:

      Why even spend anymore time worrying about it. You’ll never see it and it’s been blown out or proportion all along.

  • Bat says:

    Convict …Probably Ross reacting to the negative reaction that the idea of Aponte being in charge got.

  • convict says:

    Is anyone watching this press conference? Its hilarious. I think Hickey took coke or red bull before he came out. Must breathe between sentences.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    So there ya go! Seems Ross has FUNKED us yet again!!!
    *
    YAY, TEAM!!!

  • Marinofan13 says:

    SELL, B!atch, SELL!!!

  • Bat says:

    So the new GM is “about winning” …What a refreshing change from all those GM’s who are about losing or tieing …

  • Marinofan13 says:

    And so it DOES seem that Aponte has more control than advertised! SMMFH

  • Tim Knight says:

    I read Ross talked to former GMs and owners for advice during this search. The guy didn’t just wing it, he tried to get a feel for different candidates and learned about the process. He’s a more knowledgeable owner now than he was a few weeks ago.

  • convict says:

    I thought it was great that Aponte and Philbin left before the Q&A session. Nothing to see here, move along.

  • Bat says:

    Rizz ‏@Rizzmigizz 13m
    Someone play some Grammy get off the stage music at the Dolphins facility

  • CavalierKong says:

    Bat,
    He also says the Dolphins structure was completely clear to him. That’s a relief. It would have sucked if he’d come out and said “I’m not sure what’s going on but I’ll muddle my way through it.” hehehe

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Dawn Aponte is the LAST vessel of the Parcells’ regime here regarding our Miami football Dolphins. GET RID OF HER!!!

  • Bat says:

    “convict on January 28, 2014 at 4:23 pm said:

    I thought it was great that Aponte and Philbin left before the Q&A session. Nothing to see here, move along.”
    *
    They were going to “Le Cravat” to shop for ties, then off to Staples to pick up a case of note cards…lol

  • CavalierKong says:

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 7 secs Picking up small things…Dennis Hickey is pretty nervous. Articulate, but nervous. A rambler.
    Lol, I guess Omar thinks the same thign, Convict.

  • Bat says:

    Kong …LOL … I think the latter is not far from the truth …

  • Bat says:

    Chris Kouffman ‏@ckparrot 18m
    Someone needs to get Dennis Hickey a Xanax (credit: @NU_Gap). Nervous as hell. Practically doing the pee pee dance.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Tim,
    *
    In short, we finally found someone who was willing to work within the parameters that Mr. Ross had set up.

  • Bat says:

    “Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero 21m
    New Dolphins GM Dennis Hickey said he got a call offering him job right after leaving church on Sunday.”
    *
    Son of a bitch …I knew Jahn had something to do with this …lol

  • Old Dolfan says:

    CONVICT: SO-O-O-O-OOO You’re confused by Ross’s moves? – – So is Ross!! –He still gets his advice from Mr. Confusion, himself, Metamucil Carl Peterson!!
    ———-
    SPEAKING of confusion, why in hell is ESPN beating the drums about Carmelo getting 97 points combined in back-to-back games???? (That’s 48.5 points per game for two games). – –
    CHAMBERLAIN averaged 50 points per game FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON, INCLUDING 100 POINTS IN ONE GAME!! –And that occurred when there were only 10 Pro basketball teams on the planet!!–HOW GOOD did you have to be just to make an NBA roster back then??
    ———-
    OH, I get it. – – ESPN has the NBA contract, so they have to throw away journalistic integrity and hype a sport that a majority of sports fans DO NOT give a rat’s ass about until the playoffs. – – Well I have NOT watched an NBA game from beginning to end since 1982 (Bird and Magic era). – – I’ll watch tons of college basketball b/c I find the entire college product preferable to the meaningless pro season which drags on interminably. Word to the NBA and the NHL. SHORTEN YOUR SEASONS. –lIMIT THE PLAYOFFS TO NO MORE THAN 10 TEAMS (I’d PREFER 8). –Eliminate games on back-to-back nights. –And I MIGHT get passionately involved in your regular seasons as I did back in the ’60’s, ’70’s and early ’80’s.

    • TryPod says:

      did you see how many assists he had? you could count them on one finger. he’s useless for anything other than scoring. he’ll never win a title

    • TryPod says:

      shorten baseball too.
      can’t join you on the college bball. I can’t watch it. and I live in Kentucky. I know about college bball.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP
    Ross: I was aware of disharmony in organization. It was something I needed to address.

  • Bat says:

    “Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz 2m
    Ross: “I have a lot of faith and confidence in the coach… There’s no need for wholesale changes.”
    *
    And therein lies the problem ….

  • Bat says:

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 5m
    “We want to be a tough, smart, physical football team,” Dennis Hickey said. Where have I heard that before?

  • CavalierKong says:

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 7 secs Steve Ross said the Ted Wells report will come out after the Super Bowl. He has an understanding of what’s in it.
    _________________
    This would seem to indicate that the coaches aren’t going to get reamed as Philbin has gone to bat for Philbin and his staff sans Sherman..

  • Bat says:

    “Roger Paul ‏@DatRoroKid 6m
    They talk about Philbin like he’s goddamn Bill Walsh.” ………. LMAO

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Bat, Bill Walsh wouldn’t sniff Philbin’s jock!

    • GetterDone Phins says:

      ….and of course, neither would any of us….well, except maybe Orob, or Home, maybe Tim. ;)

  • Bat says:

    “Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 11m
    “I feel as bad as anybody that we didn’t make the playoffs. But there’s such a fine line between winning and losing,” Ross said”
    *
    Yeah, it starts with competing and giving your best effort…but if your team can’t be bothered…..

  • Tim Knight says:

    I see introducing the GM creates the bitching and moaning all over again. LOL

    • GetterDone Phins says:

      I’m glad it’s over, Hickey will do very good if he & Philbin are eye to eye, as with Coyle, etc.
      Build the personnel to what the coaches can have the most success with.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Philbin said, get this lil sawed off red headed f’ker out of my grill.
    *
    James Walker ✔ @JamesWalkerNFL
    #Dolphins owner Stephen Ross explained the GM Jeff Ireland and HC Joe Philbin couldn’t get on the same page.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Hickey’s son is wearing a Tanny jersey…KOOL!

    • GetterDone Phins says:

      So much for Omar speculating that a new GM will go get his own QB to be tied to….LMAO!

  • Bat says:

    “Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 13m
    “When the game doesn’t go your way you just don’t replace everybody,” Steve Ross said.”
    *
    No …you put your head firmly in the sand and sing “Don’t Worry, Be Happy” to yourself…

  • Old Dolfan says:

    BULLETIN: Oscar award winning producer James Cameron has been hired to do a movie about the entire Miami Dolphins organization. Rumor has it the camera-shy role of Steve Ross will go to – – – drum roll, please – – – LEONARD NIMOY!!
    ———-
    ANY SUGGESTIONS about WHO should play some of the other leading roles?? – – How about Sharon Stone as Dawn Aponte??

  • Wyoming85 says:

    Might I suggest watching the interview
    Some of the tweets I see tell me the reporter / fan / taco bell fry cook
    Might not have been listening, or are pushing a agenda
    :-(
    http://www.miamidolphins.com/index-live.html

  • Tim Knight says:

    “Ross: Dawn Aponte will be reporting to Hickey, working with him, assisting him.”
    *
    M13, what am I missing?

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero
    Ross on NFL bully gate report: “When it comes out we’ll do what has to be done. In my mind I already know what direction we’re going. Stay tuned.”

  • Wyoming85 says:

    Omar Kelly ‏@OmarKelly 31m
    Dolphins coach Joe Philbin bolts before the question and answer period.

    ???????????????????
    Complete Bull Shit
    the PR guy said they were going to move the podium for Photo’s then Questions for Ross and Hickey
    NOT Joe or Dawn
    The use of the word bolt is why I can hardly read any of the “local” reporters

    • Tim Knight says:

      He’s a drama queen.

    • herdfan says:

      It was a presser to introduce the new GM, I can see why they aren’t there. It’s his presser, his time to meet the local media. Make something out of nothing Omar. Geez.

    • convict says:

      A few reporters said that they left. Even I did (i’m not a reporter though) up above. They showed up for the announcement and then left right before Q&A. Fine about using the term “bolt”, but they did leave before the Q&A. And given that Hickey’s alignment to Philbin was what Ross referenced many times for his reason for the hire, I found it a valid item to point out.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Omar to Hickey: So, what will be your first order that you give Aponte to do for you? :)

  • Bat says:
  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Whoa Nelly!
    *
    Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP
    Hickey says he was in charge of Tampa Bay’s drafts

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Rocky Dennis as Joe Philbin ;)

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    James Walker ✔ @JamesWalkerNFL
    New #Dolphins GM Dennis Hickey says he always thinks “best available player” when drafting. Need is secondary, he says.

  • Wyoming85 says:

    Convict
    I was talking about some of the shit coming out of the twitter world!
    I watched it too
    It was just my suggestion that some of that shit was way off!
    I have no Idea what set MF13 off?
    I didn’t hear anything to get that reaction?

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    New Jersey Taxes Could Eat Up All Of Peyton Manning’s Super Bowl Earnings…

  • Wyoming85 says:

    MF13
    Sorry this sounded like you were going off?
    ???????????

    Marinofan13 on January 28, 2014 at 4:18 pm said:

    So there ya go! Seems Ross has FUNKED us yet again!!!
    *
    YAY, TEAM!!!

    Reply ↓

    Marinofan13 on January 28, 2014 at 4:20 pm said:

    SELL, B!atch, SELL!!!

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Now that this Hickey presser is done, we get to look forward to tonite’s State of the Dictatorship Address! SMH

  • Tim Knight says:

    Ross has now hired his HC and GM, not inherited them. We’ll see how they do.

  • Marinofan13 says:

    GDP,
    *
    Money don’t make a man, but a man can make money…
    *
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mjC5obUWY4

  • Tim Knight says:

    M13, what am I missing that was advertised by Ross? The setup we have is one I’ve agreed with since all the BS of how it would be started.

  • stanger says:

    Welker on the play that injured Talib…..how else should it be?
    ——————————
    ““In a big game like that, of course,you’re out there trying to help your team win. Both guys are trying to be competitive, I think, and it worked out the way it did. Hopefully he’s doing good.”

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Miami Dolphins ✔ @MiamiDolphins
    New GM Dennis Hickey is live in studio with The Finsiders! Watch on FOX Sports Florida, listen on 940 WINZ-AM & here: http://www.miamidolphins.com/finatics/comment-center/

  • Marinofan13 says:

    GDP,
    *
    My man Banks has retired from the game. He’s now writing books.

  • Al in MIA says:

    OD,
    Too bad the movie won’t be a comedy.
    Then it would be Owen Wilson as Philbin (with a shaved head), Ben Stiller as Stephen Ross, Louis CK as Jeff Ireland, and Carrot Top as Dawn Aponte

  • Marinofan13 says:

    GDP,
    *
    LOL, my Brother… I’m listening to my man Ant Banks right now! He was a HUGE influence on my music.

  • convict says:

    So Martin is doing a sit down with Tony Dungy tonight… portions to be televised on NBC Nightly News.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Via WSJ,
    President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address Tuesday night will seek to shift the public’s souring view of his leadership, a challenge the White House sees as critical to shaping the nation’s policy direction over the next three years.
    Mr. Obama will emphasize his intention to use unilateral presidential authority—bypassing Congress when necessary—to an extent not seen in his previous State of the Union speeches, White House officials said.
    ______________________________________________________
    Hey, he’s got an Obamaphone & a pen….SMH!

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    WTF???
    *
    Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero
    Jon Martin is doing interview w/ Tony Dungy on workplace harassment issue tonite. Timing not what NFL wants. Dungy on Dolphins committee.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      An interview?
      What????

      • The Flying Pig says:

        I get it
        Dungy works for NBC and Martin is doing an interview
        Mando makes it sounds like they gave a seminar together

        Erika Masonhall ‏@ErikaMasonhall 46 mins Miami Dolphins offensive lineman Jonathan Martin sat down w/ Tony Dungy today — 1st look tonight on @nbcnightlynews

  • Marinofan13 says:

    GDP,
    *
    You my ***** for LIFE!!! Can’t believe you KNOW who Ant Banks is!
    *
    Now, let us see what Barry Soetoro has to say tonight… LOL

    • Marinofan13 says:

      Is it alright for a ***** to be anti-Obama?

      • GetterDone Phins says:

        Yes, be your own man, break the chains damn it!
        Ever listen to Pastor Daniel Manning?

        • GetterDone Phins says:

          ops, Pastor James David Manning, from ATLAH church in Harlem…he hates BO, and tells it like it is. See his youtube vids.

    • GetterDone Phins says:

      Right on my bro from a diff mother.
      Barry will say whatever he had his staff put on the teleprompter tonite…I hope it malfunctions!! lol

      • Tim Knight says:

        It would be funny if someone fucked with it like in Anchorman and Obama started talking about the variety of anal plugs available for our children. LOL

  • TryPod says:

    alright barristers,
    what are the chances northwestern university unionizes there football and basketball teams, contending they are employees of the university and deserving to be paid as such?

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Convict, it will be a circle jerk…ya know, like today’s PC with Ross ;)

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP
    Hickey tells me he’s always been a low key guy, off-the-radar guy which is why people didn’t know he was in charge of Tampa Bay’s drafts.
    *
    Andrew Abramson @AbramsonPBP
    Also Hickey says he did in fact interview for the Bucs GM job. But it never leaked to the media.

  • GetterDone Phins says:

    Is this Bat…lol
    *
    New Dolphins GM Dennis Hickey insists the team’s power structure is “completely clear,” and that he’ll “be in charge” of the 53-man roster.
    That’s not the belief in league circles, but it’s Hickey’s story, and he’s sticking to it. Miami’s Plan Z, Hickey will obviously have significant influence over the 53-man roster, but it’s widely believed the buck stops at coach Joe Philbin. It’s a baffling arrangement considering Philbin has excelled at very little during his two years as head coach. Perhaps the Dolphins have lucked into a great hire with Hickey, but more than likely, their current arrangement assures another 2-3 years of unnecessary mediocrity.
    Source: Dolphins on Twitter

  • Tim Knight says:

    Convict, a spooge fest is similar to this. LOL
    http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6530/tourette4dw2.jpg

  • herdfan says:

    Time for a laugh….and no better person to laugh at.
    *
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMTzhPKSffU

  • Marinofan13 says:

    Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 1m
    NBC nightly news is airing first interview with Jonathan Martin tonight at 6:30 p.m. (Dungy did the interview)

  • Randy says:

    Can we believe all the reports now that they’re all sounding “right” and making this hire look better?
    ***
    I think this was a hiring of a “yes man” who says the right things and doesn’t ask any of the wrong questions. Someone who won’t rock the boat but probably won’t step out and lead either. Whatever…we’ll see how it works out, but I really wanted a guy who has a personal vision and would come and put that vision into place and be the sort of guy who is willing to say what he wants and how he wants things done regardless of whose toes get stepped on.
    ***
    Just my initial .02 worth…and I’m still hoping this guy will turn out to be an uncovered diamond.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      a press confernece is about sounding right
      if you don;t, you are an idiot
      it means nothing
      Course I think all the concerns have been really overblown
      that is my .03 which is worth more that your post
      :D

  • Marinofan13 says:

    NBC Sports Network ‏@NBCSN 13m
    We’ll air @TonyDungy’s exclusive in-depth interview w/ Dolphins Lineman Jonathan Martin tomorrow at 6:30pm ET pic.twitter.com/MermJXbFGM

  • herdfan says:

    Randy on January 28, 2014 at 6:03 pm said:

    Can we believe all the reports now that they’re all sounding “right” and making this hire look better?
    *
    I believe it as much as I believed the reports last week of how bad things were.

  • Randy says:

    piggy,
    sorry…i don’t get your response to me…and I didn’t see the press conference.

    • The Flying Pig says:

      “sound right” I assume meant the press conference
      Hickey had a press conference at 4PM today to introduce him
      So I assumed reports of those conferences is what you are referring to
      ******
      Today they sound good
      tomorrow they don’t
      one report says one thing
      one doesn’t
      why beleive any of them
      *****
      Can I beleive people are reporting Dolphins FO sounds good – yes
      How else can you build drama if you don’t put the reader on a roller coaster

  • Wyoming85 says:

    Report: Patriots ‘interested’ in dealing for Larry Fitzgerald last year
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24423031/report-patriots-interested-in-dealing-for-larry-fitzgerald-last-year
    ???????????
    That would suck complete A$$!

  • Randy says:

    herd,
    That’s just b/c you’re a skeptic…drinking poison that you’re told is water will do that to ya. lol

    • herdfan says:

      Seriously, my point is I don’t believe much of what has been reported about any of this. Unless I see video of someone saying something, I don’t believe it. Even a reporter who is quoting someone can take a ‘sound bite’ out of context and make it sound like something else entirely.

  • BoulderPhinFan says:

    Wow. Another 5 years of not winning afc east if this happens.
    .
    “Report: Patriots asked about acquiring Larry Fitzgerald”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/28/report-patriots-asked-about-acquiring-larry-fitzgerald/

    • Mike E. says:

      They’re going to win for the next 5 years because they asked about Fitzgerald? lol
      *
      I’m not worried about the Pats, I’m worried about us.

      • BoulderPhinFan says:

        I think the pats will win AFC east as long as brady plays. I’m not worried about us because I know where we’ll be next year.

        • Mike E. says:

          I can’t argue that they’re the team to beat. Hopefully, we’ll get things straight here talent wise, and be in a better position to compete.

  • Randy says:

    Piggy/Herd,
    I’m a skeptic too…always have been. For years on the blogs I’ve been saying we can’t believe a word coming out of the mouths of players/coaches/organizations….and got scoffed at for the most part and told I was just being a contrarian….which maybe I am. Maybe we’ve all just become a bit more cynical and skeptical…and have developed a healthy attitude of questioning what we’re told…but I don’t think it only applies to the “media”.

  • finfanrob says:

    BoulderPhinFan on January 28, 2014 at 6:33 pm said:

    Wow. Another 5 years of not winning afc east if this happens.
    *
    as long as in that five years they can beat the bucs once i can live with that. lol

  • TwiceTheThe says:

    Hey Mike E – looks like I was wrong (about the GM/final 4 thing) lol

    • Mike E. says:

      Not really, we did interview Caserio, who wasn’t final 4, but final 8. You done fine son! lol

      • TwiceTheThe says:

        If I give myself a pat on the back, I need to slap myself in the face when appropriate as well lol

  • Mike E. says:

    Twice,
    *
    Are you happy, mad, or indifferent about Hickey?

    • TwiceTheThe says:

      I’m in a wait and see approach. I like to think that Ross wants to accomplish 3 things: 1. Win (ok actually make loads of $$$, but winning brings that) 2. Bring harmony to the FO (which would hopefully bring about item 1) 3. Make a splash with the new GM hiring (especially to help clear the taste from the funk of the upcoming bullygate report results).
      *
      Because of certain restrictions, timing and other factors, he couldn’t get the GM candidates who might make a splash (even a dinky one), so he settled for crossing item 2 off the list, again hoping it will lead to item 1 coming about as well.
      *
      I think he was actually in a tough position – if he relents to giving the new GM full control, then it’s a decent chance Philbin is gone, or put in a situation where he would have great difficulty being successful. That makes the organization look even less coach friendly (after previous gaffes), thus making it hard to bring in a new quality coach if necessary. But sticking to his guns meant not getting a GM candidate (or 2 or 3) that he might have wanted. So he ‘settled’ for the best candidate for the job that could at least fill some of his objectives and who would accept his (Ross’) terms.

    • TwiceTheThe says:

      But yeah, I am hopeful, especially IF they can all work together and realize all their careers, etc. may be on the line. Then perhaps it motivates them to build a TEAM.
      *
      I like Philbin, and think he deserves another chance, even after the FUBAR the last two games were.

  • TryPod says:

    piggy,
    I’m sure it’s controversial- but an attorney representing the student athletes of northwestern is attempting to unionize in an attempt to get the university to pay them as employees. of course the university will fight and it will end up in court.

  • professorlou says:

    The big question on my mind tonight has nothing to do with the Fins. Why hasn’t Christopher Walken played Al Davis in a movie yet?

  • Dbolt says:

    Listening to the presser now and I must say I have never heard anyone infer to somebody as a Shit-bag Cancer as politely as Ross did about Ireland.

  • finfanrob says:
  • Mike E. says:

    Twice,
    *
    Thanks for your well laid out assessment. Thing is, a failed HC can always go back to being a coordinator, so Joe will always have a job. A failed GM could also probably get some executive position as well, unless you’re not well thought of, like Ireland might be.

    • TwiceTheThe says:

      I hear you, but once failed, the opportunity rarely comes up again. If they fail here’s what will be said around the league no doubt: “Philbin just couldn’t cut it as a head coach.” “Hickey spent all those years as a scout, etc., maybe that’s just hat he is and that’s all he’ll ever be.” “Aponte is good with the numbers, but not worth all the other trouble.”
      *
      The perks (monetary and otherwise) for being a head coach/GM are too much to give up that easily I would think.

  • Mike E. says:

    D-Bolt,
    *
    Who was Ross talking about, Ireland?

  • Tim Knight says:

    Hickey seems like a good guy. He’s very different than Ireland. I think you could have a more emotional conversation with him than Ireland who was more rigid. He’s a bit nervous in the presser but he’s probably not used to it. Then again he doesn’t have too because GMs rarely speak publicly. Not everyone is a public speaker.

  • TryPod says:

    piggy,
    I just wondered what thelikelihood was that it would make through the courts. they have been trying to figure out for years how to get money for players, and if course the colleges have fought it on the basis of they are already receiving a benefit by getting their tuitions paid or something like that lol. just wondering how that might go down.

  • Tim Knight says:
  • Brian in NY says:

    Tim,
    Read your comments about how good billy Joel sounded even at his age. Reminded me of when I saw Sting at jones beach in 2000. He sounded incredible . Have you ever seen a concert there? If not I highly recommend it.

  • TryPod says:

    I hate this- I’m a fan of the blacklist, and it is taking a month off for the Olympics. that sucks. I already watch a couple of series that take off like 40 weeks a year ( longmire, hell on wheels). this blows.. it also has a lot to do with the number of books I read…

  • Dbolt says:

    anyone see this
    *
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/28/22484220-jonathan-martin-says-he-felt-trapped-in-dolphins-locker-room?lite

    *
    Honestly, Martin is dressed like a dip-shit for this interview. I wonder if Tony asks about Jonathan’s Tuesday afternoon specials at Tootsies with the chicks with the beat ass’s. Honestly, Martin really needs to go away! He is doing this interview because he knows the Well’s report, when released, is going to really destroy all credibility with the general public so he is trying to drum up the sympathy while he can.

  • Brian in NY says:

    Tim,
    Read your comments about how good Billy Joel sounded even at his age. Reminded me of when I saw Sting at Jones beach in 2000. He sounded incredible . Have you ever seen a concert there? If not I highly recommend it. I’ve seen a quite a few concerts there as it is 15 minutes from where I grew up.

    • TryPod says:

      I’ve been to Jones beach a few times, but never saw a concert there. last time was 1980 lol

      • Brian in NY says:

        It’s a really cool atmosphere, and the sound quality is surprisingly good. Used to go to jones beach all the time when I was a kid/ teenager.

  • professorlou says:

    Very true about how Ross basically threw Ireland under the bus. “I have a lot of respect for Jeff and a lot of confidence in him but we needed to have someone who wasn’t such a dick and couldn’t get along with others running this organization.”

    • Brian in NY says:

      So we know Philbin destroyed Ireland in the end of the year “save your job” meetings .

      • professorlou says:

        I have no pity for Ireland and if Philbin and Aponte concocted a scheme to get Ireland’s ass fired I’m a huge fan of both.
        I feel it’s more of a case of Philbin being saddled with a douchebag GM who couldn’t pick talent to save his life and then brings in a bunch of injured players in the draft who are useless to the team. If I’m Philbin, hell yeah I’m saving my ass. Fuck Ireland.

  • Tim Knight says:

    Brian, I’ve been to Jones Beach a few times and have also seen a show there, can’t remember who though. LOL
    *
    Seriously I think it was late 80s early 90s. I saw the Police at Giants Stadium a few years back and the sound sucked but I thought they were pretty good.
    *
    I’ve noticed over the years that really great talent is always great even if not as great as they always were. Paul McCartney is one of the best musical talents I’ve ever heard in my life if not the top dog. I need to see him at least once.

    • Brian in NY says:

      The acoustics at jones beach are very good, giants stadium, not so much. Been to a bunch of concerts there as well.

      • Tim Knight says:

        I was at GNR/Metallica with Faith No More opening at Giants stadium back in the 90s. The power of heavy bands can make it work but more popish stuff doesn’t go over well. The best sound I’ve ever experienced is at the Beacon Theater.

  • The Flying Pig says:

    piggy,
    I just wondered what thelikelihood was that it would make through the courts. they have been trying to figure out for years how to get money for players, and if course the colleges have fought it on the basis of they are already receiving a benefit by getting their tuitions paid or something like that lol. just wondering how that might go down.
    ************

    The right to organize cannot be suppressed by the Court
    so no Court can stop them from creating a union as far as I know
    but the NLRB is the the gov’t agency that hears disputes about unions
    I’m just no sure anyone has a right to stop them from creating a union
    not my area of expertise
    I can;t figure out why no one else thought of it yet
    So many there is a basis to stop it
    walmart manages to keep unions out – I don;t know how

    • The Flying Pig says:

      if they officially become a union
      then they demand compensation or its strike time I guess
      Then maybe the school can pull their scholarships
      and that would probably be the nature of the dispute that hits the NLRB – which is basically mediation and arbitration, not the Courts

      • TryPod says:

        excellent- I didn’t know how that might play out. I thought it seemed like a unique approach to the issue, just wondered about how it might play out.

        • TryPod says:

          I must have gone to the school of redundancy school- that’s like the 3rd time I’ve done that today.

  • TryPod says:

    only concerts I really want to see at this point are led zeppelin, pink Floyd.. maybe Elton John, though his vocal range is gone. I missed them since I was too young to go when they were active, except Elton. I just hate crowds too much any more and all the crap you have to go through to go to a show. I would like to see one show at red rocks, though.

    • Tim Knight says:

      I would love that too as Zep and Floyd were ending as I was getting into them in 78-80. Yes, Genesis (the progressive not the pop) and ELP as well. They all broke up as my friends and I were discovering them.
      *
      I’ve always thought Elton John and Freddie Mercury had the best voices. McCartney I put on another level musically. He’s so great I don’t even know what to say. I don’t think many people even realize how great he is.

      • TryPod says:

        I agree with you Tim (elp, prog-genesis), and I agree with you on McCartney to the extent that he was a superior top40 song writer/ performer.
        I have seen rush multiple times, but the best performance was the 82 tour in support of subdivisions. I saw the time machine tour, and I just don’t get into them like before. not the same energy for me

      • TryPod says:

        Elton’s voice prior to 84 was a superior instrument. he is probably my single biggest influence as far as my love of music is concerned. I always thought Paul Rogers had the ultimate rock n roll voice, Bruce Dickinson and Rob halford had powerful voices. one of the best voices that never got a lot of American play was Chris DeBurgh- his voice could be as silky as Roy orbison and yet powerful. currently I am really fascinated by Chris Cornell’s voice.. soulful, powerful..

  • professorlou says:

    Yankey looks like he shit himself in this pic:
    http://media.scout.com/media/image/66/669112.jpg

  • The Flying Pig says:

    watching the Hickey PC now
    LOL
    Did he dri