Enough Torture, Finally Out of the Misery And Happy New Years!!!!
First and foremost, Happy New Year’s Day gang, and thank you for continuing your support in your outrageous articles and arguments at our virtual oasis. Stay safe and enjoy your day off with family and loved ones on the highways and on the town. Special thoughts and prayers always go out to our troops and civilians protecting our borders and American interests, here at the F’ME. Time to sit back and enjoy a couple of bowl games and watch the upcoming talent as we drool over the college phenomena’s that can instantly upgrade the talent on our team and provide us with more average depth. Remember that just because they look like a stud in college, that they could look like a cretined eunuch while wearing aqua and orange. I plan on drinking myself into amnesia in memory of this season but just one thing bugging me before I check out.
So you finally hit the lottery. You buy yourself a new Ferrari and let the chick who can’t drive a stick rev it, take some pictures after waxing her, hehe, and right before you take it screaming down the boulevard, you drain the oil. That’s about how idiotic you have to be to finally land a franchise QB and after watching him get brutalized by the Patriots wobbling punched-drunk not knowing which sideline was his, let him back in the game when it was all but over. With Jonathan Martin riding shotgun. How any coach or doctor in his right mind would have let him back in is beyond me when the kid couldn’t count to three but who wanted to see Matt Moore throw a TD and start a controversy, huh? This is usually when other QBs throw for an extra 300 yards but we’re the Dolphins. For once I agreed with the announcers. Why risk more injury to Tannehill when we’re down 21 points and if I was Philbin, I would have overruled. This is just one of those games that I just wanted to get out as soon as possible without ruining one of the future starters that you knew might happen. The football gods must have barely been able to contain themselves from death by laughter as they allowed us to march up the field only to have Reggie Bush lay it on the turf, and later disgustingly hurling it when he didn’t get his precious “1K”. Most RBs who want to lead the league in rushing surpass that obsolete milestone. I wonder if Philbin benches him in next spring’s OTAs? I’m not here to bitch and moan as I plan on drinking this nightmare away but there is good news, like the scary dreams you will into a porn dream. It just takes a little imagination and figuring out which pieces need to be replaced first. For the next couple of months we’ll be analyzing every previous play of the last half decade and try to decipher which plays Jeff Ireland was mostly responsible for. The only solace is I see a couple of young blue chips mixed among the acorns: players like Reshad Jones, Ryan Tannehill, Mike Pouncey, Rishard Matthews, and Cameron Wake. Sure, I would resign Brian Hartline but not many more on the free agency list. As much as I was a Jake Long fan, it was a dismal year and who knows if he can ever play at the Pro Bowl level again, but do you risk JMartin again? Now that the season is done, who’s your keepers and who do you bring in for free agency?
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Wow Tim, this place was hoppin’ and now it’s just me, you and the crickets. Don’t people have the internet in their living rooms?
Tim regarding your last post on Keenan. I’d probably get pretty excited if we drafted him. It’s just top end speed and the injury issue that hampers him. Torn PCL this season cost him games, and he’s going to have to prove he can run (which has always been the ONLY question about him…can he get those chunk yardage plays in NFL games where everybody is faster) if he wants to go in the top half of the first round.
I’m not against it. I have honestly been wrong too many times on players to think that I can actually project them from college to the next level
Interestingly, Percy Harvin, who I compared him too went 22nd overall. Then again, Ted Ginn Jr. went 9th. LOL!
Keep in mind that those were Keenan Allen’s all-time HIGHLIGHTS, not game-tape of every snap he’s taken in a game.
And if that’s the BEST he has to offer after 3 years of tape (75% of the time falling down/tackled within 3 yards of the catch), we don’t need him @ R1P12. He’s not ELITE, he’s just nice. Plus, he’s not as fast as he once was (as seen on the highlights when he was younger, without injury).
I’m not trying to be a d!ck by any means, but this guy has MAJOR warts. And no… he’s NOT going to “take the top off the Secondary” like some try to claim. That’s FALSE. He’s half the man he was in those highlights, which weren’t that good to begin with.
Yes, his brother didn’t help his cause, to be sure. But would you mortgage your house (R1P12) on this guy? He’s no Justin Hunter. JMHO
BUYER BEWARE
He’s better than Hunter right now but we don’t know Hunter’s ceiling yet.
Look through the bad QB play and you see Keenan is a guy on a limited offense trying to do everything and sometimes he does. I see a fast player here. Not a 40 yard guy, a quick, big man playing football.
If he became a 90-1,242 13.8 12 TD guy you’d be against that because he’s not a pure burner?
I don’t want to go on record saying he’s my pick because I’m more open-minded than that, but he would make us better right away.
He’d be a great pick… but NOT @ R1P12, IMHO. I think his ceiling is limited, but that’s just me.
LOL @ Jahn
All I’m gonna say is Keenan Allen intrigues me and I think you have to look at his individual skill and competitiveness and try to translate that to the NFL. His QB really stinks. Tebow-like with accuracy. Just flick it to him whenever you can because he’s our best player. Not a lot of great executed pass plays.
Ya know, you sold me on Percy Harvin, and this guy is even bigger (though not as fast). He could be just what the Dr. ordered for this offense. With a true threat opposite him, Hartline’s production would definitely go up, and Bess is always reliable, so having another threat on the field can only help him.
Add Jennings to the mix and we may turn a team weakness into a team strength.
I’m with ya Tim. M13, I’ve watched as many snaps of him as any other casual west coast college football fan, and tbh, I think you’re severely undervalueing him.
I DO have a serious question about his ability to replicate his production at the next level, because of a question about speed, but I have NO complaints about what I saw of him watching Cal games.
FWIW, I’m basically a Bruin/Bear, as I attended UC Santa Barbara, and we didn’t have a football team, and my wife went to UCLA, where I grew up in the Bay area and went to cal games as a kid. As you also know, Hawaii is where some of my closest family/friends live, so I’m a ‘Bows fan as well (always Bows to me!!!).
Jahndoh,
Have you ever seen Cordarrelle Patterson play? Man, he can take a mere dump-off pass to the house on any given play. THAT’S what I want to see in a #1 WR pick. No, not like Ted Ginn and his fam… but more like Megatron.
IMHO, Cordarrelle Patterson is the “Bruce Irvin” of this Draft class. His Combine won’t break him, but his Combine could MAKE him… as in, top WR chosen in the 2013 Draft.
I’m back
just saw that Jenning had a big game last week
oops – sort of kills my argument
but what about Jermichael Finley instead of Jennings
I don;t want to becoem the Packers south but Finley might be what we need
and then you can keep Fasano and not have to wrry about drafting a TE, or let Fasano go and draft a TE in the late rounds
Finley is very inconsistent… Drops alot of balls. But when he hangs onto that 8yd catch, here comes the celebration dance. Hate to see him or Driver here.
Walker, if you’re lurking…. got my $10 in for the college picks. If anything like nfl, consider it a donation lol
On Allen
I think he is the most polished of the class
And is ready for the NFL
Although I agree with M13 about his ceiling being limited
I can see Allen being a 100 catch guy
but I find it hard to beleive he will open up an offense the way a more expolsove WR would
I would take a player like Hunter for 6-070 catches over Allen for 90-100 catches b/c of the yards per catch
Allen is a very clean WR
but Hunter will break your back
I think Patterson, Williams, Austin, Hopkins and Woods have that break your back ability too
And I can’t sya enough good things about Hopkins
this guy has incredible hands and tenacity – the ball is his if its near him, don’t even both DB
That is what I want for young Tanny
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
should say 60-70 catches not 6 -070…lol
Jennings is a much better player than Finley.
Hunt has gone from a 5th rd projection to a 2nd rd projection in a very short period of time.
And he’s now a 1st Rounder, according to Russ Lande’s last mock draft.
Piggy, I think Hunter is the wildcard of this draft. When to take him based on upside. If he runs a sub 4.4 he goes top 15. It’s just the way it is.
My view on Allen is he will probably be a good 1,000+ WR for a long time. 1st downs and red zone is important and not paying a guy anywhere near $50M for at least 4-5 years is a plus.
The thing about Hunter is he’s raw and you don’t know what his ceiling is. Hopkins scares me a little because, when I watch his game tape (not highlights) he’s never pressed by any db’s. He’s allowed to run free and get open where he’s not going to get that in the NFL. Very few times do you see a corner matched up with him. It’s usually zone and that’s it. However, he does make some nice catches and he does get some extra yards after catching the ball. He’s a tough kid too and that’s a good thing.
Allen is just possession. He catches everything but he doesn’t get YAC. It amazes me when you see some guys dropping out of the first round and others moving up into the first and second that Allen is still in the first round. He will be a steady receiver but he’s a compliment to other receivers and not the guy who’ll draw the double.
Austin is like a water bug. He’s small but he’s quick AND fast and although I wouldn’t want to hang my hat on him as the #1 it would be great if he was one of three starters next year along with another guy from the draft.
The wildcard is Wheaton. He’s fast and he’s a football player and what alot of people like about the guy and why he’s moved up significantly since the bowl game is he catches the ball very well and he does it with his hands. He’s now anywhere from a high to mid second rd pick. I like Williams a lot but if they don’t land Williams and they pick two receivers I would definitely want Wheaton to be one of the two.
All these mock drafts…. they get us locked into a certain position… then BAM, we go lineman. LOL
Based on where we are now.
1. protect Tanny
2. more explosive playmakers
3. rush the passer better
4. cover the pass better
5. remain solid overall on defense and STs.
Evening people!
The draft is so far away, and I feel like we’ve been talking about it for months already. Oy! lol
have no fear
once we begin watching the playoffs, people will be talking about Kaep again…lol
Nothing more to look forward to now, robe dude. LOL
My draft isn’t that far away. It’s coming thru my window.
LOL – Good answers all.
Hunter, is an amazing lights out athlete and is my preference for the WR position in the draft, but I see positives in many of the others games that make them valuable just as well. Allen is a talented guy, whether or not I like the diva shit with him. He can run well and can be very slick after the catch, but he is not a pure burner. Could be a very effective WR who put’s up nice numbers in the redzone with an over the top threat. Patterson is an amazing tight space player, but is still refining himself as a WR and will take more time than Allen. Patterson has a much higher cieling, but also has a higher bust rate to go along with it…..But if he test’s really well, the Raiders will take him as there first pick. The main reason I’d love Hunter for this team or Williams is the vertical factor they would add to the offense. There are many player with very good route running ability and play making ability in the intermediate parts of the field that you could find a starter and high quality contributor in the 4th round range.
Hunter is the guy who can go up and get the ball and has shown in college he has the ability to make some great catches. He is definitely an amazing athlete but, when you watch him sometimes he makes some bonehead moves. Hopefully he will grow out of that when he matures.
If Ireland was only to pick one receiver in the draft I’d want it to be Williams, Hunter, Hopkins or Wheaton. Allen is a good receiver but he’s not necessarily going to be a significant offensive weapon if you put him in there with Bess and Hartline.
I agree with the Allen assesment which is why I said he would need the over the top threat. If Miami signed someone like Mike Wallace, I hate Wallace and don’t want him in Miami, then Allen would absolutely thrive. I will be happy with Hopkins, Hunter, or Williams. Unfortunately I still don’t have a great feel for Wheaton after he pretty much got no locks from his QB in the bowl game. QB play was bad, so I don’t blame him.
D-Bolt,
If we signed Jennings, Patterson sounds like the perfect guy to let develop at his own pace. Do you agree?
Nope, if I grabbed Jennings then I’d use a 2nd on Hopkins, Woods, but most def. if available Patton because I think Hopkins jumped to the 1st round after last night. Patterson will be a first round pick and wouldn’t be around to the second round. If I took a WR in the first after signing Jennings it would be either Hunter, Williams, or Hopkins.
Lou, A. Boldin is a 4.6/4.7 guy who keeps making plays and reaching the playoffs. It’s not all about 40 speed. Size and strength to break tackles and score happens too.
Keenan Allen looks the part. If I reach so be it, he looks the part. Keep his option open.
Touchdown production, or lack thereof, is what worries me. Why can’t he score? Is it all on the qb or is it that he can’t get separation when they get closer to the end zone.
Tim,
Allen is a guy who carries his pads well. I wish they timed the 40 in pads…..but for him to be his utmost effective you want a big time speedster opposite of him and then you maximize his potential.
Pro Football Weekly@ProFootballWkly
RT @SBJLizMullen: CAA Sports has signed USC QB Matt Barkley for the NFL Draft.
Are they a Sports Agent firm?
I believe so.
Damn, I somehow missed Ken in my Twitter shout-outs. Sorry, Bro! Just gave ya props!
One guy I want to take a look at tonight is Martel Moore from NIU. NaPalm’s teammate. It’s going to interesting to see what he can do against the better talent on defense. He’s probably going to be matched up against Rhodes. Perez Ashford is the guy on the other side. Both good receivers and we’ll see how good they are tonight going against FSU. Plus we get to watch Werner and Rhodes. Hope it’s a good game like the Clemson vs LSU game.
Who is this NaPalm you speak of? JK/LOL. LOVE NaPalm!!!
It would have been nice if Ireland got him in the Davis trade with the pick. NaPalm is going to burn some people. He just needs the chance.
OK – Who here knows what the word or expression is when 2 monkeys are fighting and then one surrenders and gives up? Trying to think of it, and I’m coming up blank.
I know my bro Walker knows this – Where is WALKER?????
Submission? Rape? Taxes? Or as monkeys would say, Hooo Hooo Hooo Heee Heee
I think you are describing the presidential election…no?
LMFAO !!! No, but that’s funny as hell!
Are they Bonobo monkeys????? then it’s a circle jerk!
Lou
I agree with you 8:05 point in reagrds to Allen
That is sort of what I am thinking with Allen
Allen with another explosive WR could be great
but Allen on our offense…eh…who is there it stretch the field
Of course I am in favor of drafting 2 WRs early
and in that scenario if it Allen and Williams, for instance – well that can be special
but it would be hard to make that happen b/c Allen may be the 1st WR off the board
and is ceratin to be a 1st rounder IMO
I thik a team like Seattle or Minnesota may be a better fit for Allen
One thing about Allen – he would be a heck of a reliable target for Tanny
If he were the pick, no one should complain
Not a huge fan of Allen. I want Williams. That is the kind of explosiveness we need.
Different topic, but have you guys caught the trailer for the new Man Of Steel movie. Looks like they are finally going to do Supe’s right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZfKfs0vIBw
I think that is going to rock.
I believe so!
Mike E:
Enough with the monkey business. LOL.
LOL @ Ken!
Walker,
Did you see “Rise of the Planet of the Apes”?
The dominant monkey gives up to Caesar in the cage, and puts out his hand. Is it subjugation?
I’ve always thought it was submissive behavior but you could be right. Subjugation sounds like a language arts term, lol but I’m not familiar with that term bro
OK Walker – Thanks bud! Once I try to find something, I’m like a pit bull, I can’t let it go.
Reminds of the time at Busch Gardens and a mandrill starts showing off his masterbation skills. You could have heard a pin drop when this little boy asks his hot mom, Mommy what’s that monkey doing? I wanted to say, “It’s a mandrill kid” but instead I said, “Yeah mom, what’s that monkey doing?” as a lot of snickering was going on.
Sounds like a Friday night in Times Square but those are not monkeys.
I went to the Toronto zoo as part of my senior class trip and saw something similar, but much worse. We were at the Orangutang exhibit when thei big male just walked up to this little male and butt raped him in front of the crowd. And this little boy asked his mother the same question…..and then she told him they were just playing. “He then asked her why the little one kept rubbing his eyes like he was crying. That was a classic moment in my life knowing that kid learned about the birds and the birds right in front of me
Sounds like prison, and I guess in many ways, it is.
M13
On the darft you posted earlier that had 1 QB in the 1st round I meant to post this earlier
It seems there is a growing trend of people suggesting that the QBs available are not worht early picks
Personally I think come draft day we will see a bunch of QBs in the top 10…maybe even 4
1. I think people are coparing this class to last year. Its not Rg3 and Luck – so they are selling these guy short, but its probably better than the class of 2011
2. Look at how well the rookies drafted in 2012 performed
3. the rookie salary cap makes rooks more desirable than vets – especially the highest paid position
4. they aren;t about to change the rules back to what they were pre-goodell. its still a passing league
5. its no coincidence that the teams that are picking early all need Qbs
6. I can;t think of any FA QBs that are really worth looking at
KC, Buffalo, Jests, Jax, Oakland, Philly, Dallas, AZ and even the Browns are a threat
Jax is probably less likel especially if they land Tebow
but some of the fans of those teams will lose it if their team doesnt reach for a qb
Gabbert, Locker and Ponder were reaches in 2011
Heck, Tanny and Weeden were considered reaches last year
Geno Smith will go #1 and the othe teams will line up for Barkley, Glennon and the AK Wb wo name escapes me now
4.
Geno Smith is not going no.1 No way. He is not that good. Very disappointing 2nd half of the season. He has bust written all over him. Glennon is getting a lot of love but I am not that impressed with him. Look for Murray from Georgia to go high if he should declare for the draft. I also suspect Landry Jones will move up the draft boards. He has quietly put together a very solid season. Barkley will go in 1st round. Tyler Wilson is not going to be a 1st round pick. Not sure where Bray will go. He has the physical tools but this class of QBs is a disappointing crop. I don’t see any one going no. 1 overall and I think maybe 3 go in the 1st round.
I think you will see Wilson go to someone in the first who needs a qb. Good comp%, good yds and good td/int ration but the thing that was more impressive to me, although he threw a few more int’s this year, was he lost his three main weapons in the passing game when Adams, Wright and Greg Childs and he still had a pretty good year. He’s got the arm, the size and the accuracy.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2012/12/31/3820618/2013-nfl-mock-draft
another mok with us taking Allen
interesting the only other WR taken is Patterson
i that held up taking a WR would be a mistake
in the 2nd you would have Williams, Hunter, Hopkins Austin and woods available…wow
If that held up you trade both number 2′s and get Hunter or Hopkins to pair with Allen.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I would do that but I’m a greedy pig when it comes to weapons
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Piggy,
you are looking at WR porn again, just like last year
Tommy Streeter and Stephen Hill are like hairy 70′s porn now…lol
It also has us passing on Manti
I hate to see Javarius Jones projected to the Stej
me too
jests fans and their mock fantasies…lol
Kind of a yawner of a Rose Bowl. Ertz is another guy that doesn’t impress me all that much. I don’t think he’s an upgrade over Fasano. IS there on in this draft or FA? Probably a matter of opinion, but I see Fasano, Dallas Clark, Gonzales and Keller. Fasano’s better then all but Gonzales IMHO, and Tony isn’t playing anywhere but in Atlanta at this point (also IMHO).
You also have Cook who would be a bigger threat in the passing game. Not sure abour his attitude, but he has top shlef athleticism.
I’m sorry, is Cook a college guy? I’m just broaching the tip of the iceberg when it comes to draft prospects. I don’t see him on my cheatsheet.
Cook is a FA too
I think Keller is a much better receiver than Fasano and has been bailing Sanchez out for years
he is a crappy blocker though – he is basically a tall WR
Clark is done
Gonzales is up there but continues to play at a high level
OK, I’m retarded. Who is this Cooke TE?
Who does he play for?
Only TE that looks good so far is Reed.
had to step out for quite some time… did you order think-like-a-king Maybe MF13 would be up for some email chess… it’s not about winning or losing it’s about learning…. games would give you something to ask about.
also, I’m in on Eifert first round.
Piggy and M13 are starting to make me think there’s an anti West Coast thing affecting their WR assesments
I think you should give the GM some room to make his own decision. If Keenan Allen checks out physically and runs a decent 40, he’ll be mocked to us by a whole bunch of people. I’d get my head around it if I were you guys.
M13, Yes, I’ve seen Cordarelle play, not as much as Allen, but honestly, Allen is WAY more polished then he is, ready to contribute from day one. We don’t need to waste 1 or 2 contract years of Tannehill waiting for a more raw guy to reach some sort of assumed “ceiling”.
You guys are selling Allen short saying he has a low ceiling…of that much I’m sure.
I like Woods (USC) and I’m starting to notice Marcus Wheaton too (OSU)
keep in mind who you are talking too…M13 and I are both fliers in the sky
We like speed!
Zooooooooooooooooooooooooom
Allen is not as fast as the others
Its his major deficiency, but there is not a lot of others
He is polished just not very fast
LOL at DBolt,
Your story just kicked mine’s ass
I’ll give FSU this they travel some very pretty Fans
That is why some of use went there
Walker
correct me if I am wrong but FSU alumni here are you, me and FFRob, correct?
Yes, FSU in the Orange Bowl and not as the enemy
Lou,
Markus Wheaton is fast as shit…looking at his track time in the 100m’s, but holy shit does he have a bad start. If he can start coming off the line quicker in both track and football he would be a monster.
“I think Keller is a much better receiver than Fasano and has been bailing Sanchez out for years
he is a crappy blocker though – he is basically a tall WR”
OMG…I threw up in my mouth a little reading this. Keller is a pedestrian receiver (certainly not clearly BETTER then Fasano IMHO) and like you said he’s a horrible blocker. JMHO of course. But I would be pretty pissed if we jettisoned one of our most reliable offensive players the last 4 years for that piece of trash.
I like Fasano a lot!!! dude, has been a workhorse blocking and trying to get those big catches. He literally has no help at that position on this team. We can get another TE to help him, but certainly not to replace him.
Put your jests hate away for a sec
Keller’s worst year (befoe this year) is his rookie year when he caught 45 passes
which is more than Fasano has ever caught
He is a receiving TE
that it what he does
he is a one trick pony like Shannon Sharpe was…but Sharpe had the record (and still does I think) for most catches by a TE
If Egnew ever plays, that is basically what Egnew would be
just a pass catcher
Piggy,
lay off an USC Wrs. they are all prima donnas and overhyped.
LMAO @ the Ricky Williams Heisman commercial.
I just watched Cordarrelle’s highlight vids, and man, that guy is just crazy when he gets some space to run. He is so damned shifty, and difficult to grab onto. I like what I saw. I understand he may need time to perfect his craft, but if you sign a Greg Jennings, to me, that’s a great opportunity to get this kid on the field in the right situations, and let his athleticism show out. Kid can ball!
Jahn:
Fasano is not as good as you believe he is. That said Keller is not an upgrade over him. He is pedestrian at best.
Well. lol..thats pretty much the definition of subjectivity. Not even an “I think Fasano….” qualifier? LOL. Ok. There it is. You’re right and I’m wrong. Declared. LMAO.
Piggy,
I started at FSU but some Hangover type of shit later I ended up at USF and got my degree in Zoology. I spent a lot of time up there even when I wasn’t enrolled there, places like Late Night Library and Bullwinkles, and people’s houses I didn’t know, lol
Lol @ Late Night Library and Bullwinkles
I wonder if those places are still open
Bullwinkles yes, LNL no from what I’ve been told
I was enrolled there in ’93 when Charlie Ward was QB and the year after my boy, Marshall Ledbetter, took over the state capitol building
I was there in 94 (or maybe 95) so around the same time
Jahn,
Jared Cook from the Titans. He can both block and get out on patterns. He’s the only TE this season I really saw burn Jones big time.
Rhino
I never judge a prospect by his school
Jahn and Ken
stop making me defend the jests player. I won’t do it anymore. Assuming Kellert is an upgrade at TE and a better receiving threat than Fasano, you simply can’t ignore the herpes and beastiality…there, now I feel whole again
LOL.
Pig, I think Allen is WAY faster then you think. I don’t know if he’ll be healed up enough from the knee injury to run in the combine, but if he isn’t, he’s a value later in the 1st.
I could be wrong, but I think football speed (which he clearly has if you watch him play) is way more important then 40 speed, and I think he’s got faster 40 speed then you think.
JMHO, and I could easily be wrong. That IS truly the only question about him, and Jerry Rice sure wasn’t very fast. Speed is overrated. Sorry…I still love you flyers.
He carries his pads like Ftiz. Might not have elite forty time, but runs like he’s not weighed down by pads.
I agree about football speed
but that is my argument for Hopkins not Allen
Allen doesn’t play fast
its not the 40 time that concerns me, its the acceleration after the catch
I thought Allen’s injury was a shoulder injury, woods is an ankle, and Hunter is a knee
maybe I missed a booboo…lol
You missed someone hmmmmmmmmmm
thats right Williams doesn’t have a major injury to his resume that I know of
I didn;t mention Hopkins, Austin or Patterson either
is that sarcasm…does Williams have a prior injury I don;t know about?
4.49 baby
I think Allen’s was his knee. I’ve seen him get behind defender plenty, but his brother goes all orangutang on him. I won’t complain if he’s drafted, but we need a over the top threat if he is. His speed and cut backs are better than what he’s getting credit for on here. He probably had more defnders solely focusing on him than any other receiver in college or the pro’s, so he had very little room to work with. That being said I still prefer Hunter, but I won’t be upset if Allen is a Fin!
By orangutang, you mean he sodomizes him? lol. sorry
Yes, you fucking Bio Whiz
I agree. Hopkins is slower in the 40 than Allen but when he catches the ball he is quicker upfield.
and nasty too…lol
watching the game last night the when the LSU players tried to bring him down and there was a scuffle on the sideline says a lot
I think my wife has the same long underwear as Manuel
I am sorry for you. LOL.
Walker,
Your story brought back that memory and I started choking on my beer thinking about how funny that was!
Hey Ken, you really shouldn’t have to GUESS what I think about Fasano, so here’s a quote from, well, earlier today:
“Again, I don’t want to overstate my case. He’s not a world beater, but I think he’s far better then so many people I’ve read on this blog give him credit for, and I think he suffers from an image problem based on the GM that brought him here.”
Pick somebody who’s not me, ESPN, PFF, and service that grades players…he’s a top 10 TE almost every single year. You may not value him that way because you want some sexy 4.4 TE that “stretches” the seam, but I got news for you, SF never had that player and they won 5 superbowls with this offense. GB won a SB with Finlay, yeah, but they can’t wait to show him the exit.
There’s more to the TE position then speed.
Not supposed to be a reply. Hmm…
By the way speaking of 40 times and receivers
do you guys know what Calvin Johnson’s time was?
I thought he ran a 4.38 at the combine.
Wasn’t it a 4.3 or something like that. I remember he had to borrow someones cleats because he didn’t plan on running it and the decided at the last minute to run it.
Yeah DBolt and Ken it was something freakin incredible for a WR of his size
He is probably the best WR prospect ever
it takes a lot to get a team like detroit, who previosuly drafted three WRs int he 1st who were busts, to put that meomory away and draft another WR
I think they drafted him after they went 0-16 too…or was that Stafford…I forget
Stafford I think.
He ran a 4.35 at the combine.
4.32.
You know what Jerry Rice’s 40 time was?
4.6
4.72
Piggy
yes that was sarcasm
And no I can’t find any injuries on williams
okay, so he is in the clear.
I guess we know your favorite now…lol
Jahn:
I know you are high on Fasano but I just don’t see the talent in him. His blocking really fell off this year. He is slow and can’t stretch the field. He is one player and position we really need to upgrade. He is a good guy to have on the team but not as the starting TE imo.
TE’s generally can’t stretch the field. It’s a pipe dream. There’s no TE in FA (I admit, I have to look at Cook more closely, but other then him….) or the draft that is going to stretch an NFL defense. All they have to do is catch the ball when a LB is covering them. Fasano does that quite well, because that’s more about using your body then you speed.
The concept of separation and the TE spot is figment of fans imaginations.
Plenty of TEs in the NFL create separation these days. Vernon Davis, Gronkowski, Graham, Hernandez, Dallas Clark has for years (he has lost a step imo), Gresham. These guys gain separation and go vertical on a regular basis. Fasano cannot do that.
So which one of those guys can you sign to upgrade Fasano? That’s my only point. It’s just Fasano bashing. He’s our best TE option in 2013.
Great article about 40 times:
http://blog.nola.com/jeffduncan/2009/03/40yard_dash_is_just_a_waste_of.html
“In 2003, the Arizona Cardinals selected Penn State wide receiver Bryant Johnston with the 17th pick of the first round after watching him run a 4.37 40 at his pro day. Thirty-six picks later, with the No. 54 pick of the second round, they took Anquan Boldin, a wide receiver from Florida State, who clocked a pedestrian time of 4.71.”
Jahndoh says:
January 1, 2013 at 9:06 pm
4.32.
You know what Jerry Rice’s 40 time was?
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I hear you Jahn
sometimes it means very little
But CalvinJohnson is an example of when it means a lot
If you had to pick one WR and they were the same exact age would you take Rice or Calvin Johnson
I think Rice is the greatest of all time but I take Calvin Johnson who is also in the record books
Troy Williamson?
Anquan Boldin?
I’m BB here, but there’s a littany of proof that the 40 time is overrated. The article I posted above is pretty good.
But to you and Ken both I’ll say: Hey, I might be wrong. It’s been known to happen.
Yes I really like Williams but I’ve probably watched more Baylor games than any of the other WR’s
He just looks smooth to me
Although Hopkins made me think twice last night
People say Randy Moss ran a 4.25
Wow!
but that is all he does, run streaks
and he isprobably more like 4.6 now…lol
yeah, he DID make a living off his straight line speed. No doubt. That’s a rare breed, but maybe, just maybe, 4.2 speed IS fast enough to do it.
NICE TD – GO FSU!!!
speaking of pretty FSU fans
Ola Gigi
Hi there rooting for them as long as they are not playng the Canes!! Thanks for the piece it will be up on Thurs., New Age is tomorrow. Happy New Year!
Jahn,
WHat the hell’s your issue dude? I’m having a friendly convo about orangutang sodomy and you enter our convo with a reply about Fasano????? What are you getting at????LOL
LOL..sorry Dbolt. My bad.
Ok….now focus on monkey BUTT SEX
LMAO, that’s NOT what I mean below in my response to Piggy FTR!!!!
Jahn its not overrated
its overstated
That might sound like semantics
but the fact is speed kills
and is always has
if a DB has to give a WR a little cushion a good offense can take adavatge of that
but if the WR can’t do anything else but run a fast 40
his number is worhtless
That doesn’t SOUND like semantics, it IS.
I could argue about the differences of the definitions of the two, but you already schooled me today on the difference between “many” and “some”, so I’ll do that monkey submission thing that Mike is trying to remember what it’s called
And to be fair, while I think 40 is overrated, I don’t want to paint myself into a corner, it is most definitely NOT useless.
I mean speed is valuable
but its no reason to ignore other qualities
Boldin is an interesting example
He has to be the most physical WR to play in the NFL in a long time
Maybe Marshall is comprable
Marshall ran a 4.52
here are some other notable ones
Ginn 4.28
Crhis Johnson 4.24
Heyward Bey 4.25
Manningham 4.59
Ande Johnson 4.41
Larry Fitzgerald 4.63
I like that list. It’s fair. We both have some ammo there. Speed CAN kill. No doubt. But it also can KILL a GM if he falls in love with a stat that doesn’t translate on Sundays.
You aren’t arguing with Al Davis here
I have some perspective on speed
I would love it if they ran 10 yard dashes that would probably say a lot more about the way the game is played…lol
Fitzy time really surpises me
this is just from a google search
I wasn;t holding the clock…lol
Ginn and Gates?
I don’t care what a guy’s 40 time is either. It only matters that he’s able to get open, catch the ball, get yards after the catch and score td’s. It’s football speed, not track speed. If a guy has track speed but can also play the game then that’s a big plus. Wheaton, for instance, is extremely fast. He runs track. But, when you watch him play the game he’s also a very good wide receiver who, after he catches the ball, is able to use his speed to get quickly upfield for extra yards.
If NIU is going to make Lynch their entire offense tonight it’s going to be a long game for them.
Billy Corben@BillyCorben
University of Florida grads. “@canesthing: With the stadium some what filled who is working the registers at all the Wal Marts?”
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Jahndoh says:
January 1, 2013 at 9:19 pm
So which one of those guys can you sign to upgrade Fasano? That’s my only point. It’s just Fasano bashing. He’s our best TE option in 2013.
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Cook is a much better option for next year and then there is the draft. TE is a position of need imo. But I could be wrong.
I’m looking at my cheatsheet, and I know Ertz pretty well. I don’t see the draft upgrade. Cooke is an upgrade? I’ll decide that one for myself. But like you toward me, I question your judgment on the topic of Fasano. You’re entrenched.
But you’re my boy, and I don’t mean anything by that. Just that we’re probably at an impasse, and you’ve given me ONE name that might even POSSIBLY be an upgrade.
I gave the name first!
Yeah, but I’m kinda worried about you right now, what with the monkey fuck talk and all.
JKBB!
There is news that Jordan Reed will declare after the bowl game. If that happens and the Fins can land him he is a definite upgrade. Ertz and Eifert are not threats in the passing game.
…..and he can block! In the A & M game he was on Moore’s side quite a bit and he did a good job against him. He also did a good job against Porter.
David Moulton: Dolphins have to do better than Jeff Ireland at general manager
http://m.naplesnews.com/news/2013/jan/01/david-moulton-dolphins-have-to-do-better-than-at/
There’s no arguing with the truth.
There’s also apparently no concept of what “truth” means.
I believe he pointed to facts in his article not fiction. But go ahead and keep on beliving Jeff Ireland is qualified or should be in charge as GM — excellent very TRUE points in the piece.
LOL, you should just post links to all your blogs the past 3 weeks. Same thing really.
Jahndoh says:
January 1, 2013 at 9:26 pm
LMAO, that’s NOT what I mean below in my response to Piggy FTR!!!!
Jahn it was your words not mine…LOL
Piggy, maybe I can feel like I got a point in this discussion. I submit for your approval: 3 Cone Drill, and the 20 yard shuttle. I just wish they made them do it in full pads.
The dog and pony show in shorts at the combine bugs me. Ever since I realized players could quite literally BUY their way up the draft board by going to camps that AREN’T football related, they’re combine skill specific.
Maybe you should subjugate for his approval or go orangatang with a heavy opinion, lol.
LOL…I guess I pretty much volunteered to be the monkeybutt of this joke.
You really did!
by the time the combine comes around they have so much tape on these guys it doesn;t matter
everything has changed a bit bc they run with track coaches
so the numbers are off the charts lately
but now that its on NFL network, you think it will change
No way – now its a show where you get to see their faces
ultimately it doesn;t matter
what they do on the filed is what matters
here and there you want to see how fast RG3 is when he runs to see if what you see on tape is for real I guess
David Moulton: Dolphins have to do better than Jeff Ireland at general manager
By DAVID MOULTON
Published Tuesday, January 1, 2013
NAPLES — Five NFL general managers got fired this week — really six because Andy Reid had final say on personnel as Eagles head coach. Yet the Dolphins’ Jeff Ireland was not one of them.
So much for all that hope I had for the Dolphins last week.
Stephen Ross paid over $1 BILLION for this team. Does he really think the best he can do at general manager is Jeff Ireland?
Four of the six guys who got let go acquired enough talent on the job to take their teams to at least the conference championship game!
Hire one of them, Mr. Ross, and it can’t be any worse than sticking with Jeff Ireland.
He’s been with the team five years, but the first two all he did was take orders from Parcells. His third year and first draft was in 2010.
Ireland traded the 10th overall pick, and later drafted Jared Odrick in the first round.
The Giants took some sack machine named Jason Pierre-Paul with the 15th pick. Imagine him opposite Cameron Wake?
In the second round, he took linebacker Koa Misi. The Patriots took some tight end from Arizona named Rob Gronkowski a while later.
That is only part of the story. It’s not that he has missed out on two great players, Ireland has NO diamonds in the rough from the last two drafts that were 100 percent his. None!
His first-round picks have been Mike Pouncey and Ryan Tannehill.
Nice job. But of his 13 picks after the first round, only ONE is currently a starter (tackle Jonathan Martin). Four are solid reserves, four are roster filler, three have been cut and one — 2012 third-round pick Michael Egnew, a tight end — played in just two games and has bust written all over him.
Oh yeah, 14 picks after Egnew, the Indianapolis Colts selected a wide receiver from FIU named T.Y. Hilton (50 catches, seven TDs and a punt return TD).
Is this a good enough track record to trust him to be THE guy to handle the most crucial offseason the Dolphins have had since 2006, when they passed on Drew Brees?
No way! It’s laughable to think that Jeff Ireland has proved to be anything more than mediocre. So why, Mr. Ross, are you willing to let your billion-dollar investment be average at best?
You know talent. You went after Jim Harbaugh hard two years ago and nearly got him. You pursued Peyton Manning last spring.
Jim Harbaugh, Peyton Manning, Jeff Ireland. Which one doesn’t belong in the deep end?
The Miami Dolphins have five of the first 90 picks in the upcoming draft. Five! They have huge decisions to make on key free agents Jake Long, Reggie Bush and Sean Smith. They have a glaring need at wide receiver with some big free agents available at that position (Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, Greg Jennings).
Raise your hand if you think, “You know, of all the people available, I’d much rather have Jeff Ireland than Bill Polian. I mean all he did was build the Bills of the late 80s-early 90s and the Colts in the Peyton years.”
How about the right-hand personnel men of Ted Thompson in Green Bay or Trent Baalke in San Francisco? Have you seen their rosters?
Some pretty good drafting going on there.
Please, Mr. Ross, aim higher.
Heck, you don’t even have to leave your feet to rise above the talent level of Jeff Ireland.
The Dolphins have just had their fourth consecutive losing season for the first time since before Don Shula. There have been three architects of this 27-37 stretch.
Bill Parcells and Tony Sparano are long gone.
The only one left is Jeff Ireland.
Why?
David Moulton co-hosts “Miller and Moulton in the Afternoon” weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m. on Southwest Florida’s ESPN Radio (101.5 FM Bonita/North Naples, 105.1 FM Naples/Marco Island). His freelance column appears Sunday, Wednesday and Friday.
LMAO, it’s your site, if you want to use it repost drivel opinion from one random radio talking head, have at it.
Or maybe I should say “go ahead and….”
You just go ahead.
“I believe he pointed to facts in his article not fiction. But go ahead and keep on beliving Jeff Ireland is qualified or should be in charge as GM — excellent very TRUE points in the piece.”
That is not even a reputable news outlet. It’s an aggregator, and that dude isn’t even a writer, he’s a sports talk radio personality. It’s littered with opinion. But if you disagree you should take my suggestion that your blogs the last 3 weeks say the exact same thing as a compliment.
PS, save your keyboard. You’ve told me to “go ahead and….” like a dozen times lately. I will. Thanks.
Gigi
good link
but we have heard it all before
The 2010 draft is the one that jumps out at me, bc we took Odrick instead of JPP or Earl Thomas
but the argument for JPP is the same as the one for Thomas
We traded back
then we took Odrick
we didn;t take Odrick over JPP or Thomas
we acquired a 2nd
a 2nd that we gave up for Marshall when everyone was begging for a WR and he made that move
we only acquired Misi b/c of the trade back
so its not kike the option was JPP and Gronk
the option was JPP (or Earl Thomas) and nothing else
or even Odrick and Gronk but not Misi
I remember that people really questioned JPP in that draft (not just Miami) and some labeled him a potential bust b/c of his slighter than usual frame for a DE…butthat was wrong
on the Egnew vs TY Hilton argument
the thing is Ireland liked Ty Hilton
he didn;t miss that pick
he just chose a TE (which we needed) instead
the reason I know Ireland liked TY Hilton is b/c he try to acquire him as part of the Davis trade
the Colts really undercut us in that draft
first they took Luck, we got Tanny (and I love Tanny)
then they took not 1 but 2 TEs (fleener and allen)
and forced our hand to get what was left
then they took Hilton before we picked again – I think ireland had hoped to land Hilton instead of Miller
luckily we traded up for Miller or he would havebeen a Colt too..lol
Why does any of this matter
bc it illustartes that Ireland identified TY Hilton as a good WR
even though he is undesized
but what he failed to do is prioritize the pick of the skill player
If he picked a WR who busted instead of Hilton I would be more concerned
Why does any of it matter? Cause this team is in the hands of the guy who made mistakes pointed to in that piece. Would you rather have JPP or Odrick? No brainer unless you are Ireland. Good people who took their teams to championships were let go this week and Ireland is still around – makes no sense to me. I will be LMAO when he screws up – again.
That last sentence bothers me. I would never LMAO when the fins fail. That’s just a personal standard I have.
Shhhhhhh self. STFU already!
Bat,
With JPP people questioned him because of his maturity more than anything else. When he was drafted I’ll never forget where Drew is trying to get his nut hugging intoxicated friends off camera saying “Look at me Mom, I’m on tv for not stealing a TV!”
wasn’t he doing back flips on youtube…lol
BTW, I’ve said it before and I’ll “go ahead and” continue to say it. Any yahoo can cherry pick drafts and say which player drafted below any OTHER player would’ve been a better pick. Hindsight is 20/20, and fans have it when they complain, but GMs don’t have it on draft day.
Have to agree. GM’s don’t have hindsight and anyone can do the same. You can go thru a number of drafts and find the same situation. But, it’s not about who a GM could have picked after the player he picked. It’s about the results and the players he does pick. So, the proof is in the pudding. If a GM is good at what he does the talent he finds will contribute to the success of the team. There is probably some luck involved when you have a player you want and he’s gone off the board when it’s your turn to pick but the GM needs to do his homework, due dilligence, in assessing the talent available and be able to make the choices that best fit his team.
Love Ireland or Hate Ireland he is not being fired this year. So to whatever it is we all hold dear lets pray to that and hope he gets it right because this is a huge off season for us.
Gigi:
For the record I don’t want Mike Tannenbaum as our GM. LOL.
l love facts. Bring some that don’t require hindsight and I’m all ears. I don’t remember you pounding the table for JPP. That’s just revisionist history.
Wierd, my reply keeps skipping UP a post. Anyway…obviously this was for Gigi below. I still love ya girl. I really do. I just think your campaign is as tiring as you think my defense is.
OK, Gigi, don’t get mad at me, I’m done talking about Ireland. The floor is yours. New year, I’m going to say “I could be wrong” a lot more often. And regarding Ireland: I could be wrong.
Proof is in the record Jahn!!!! We have 1 All Pro on this team and it is Wake who Bill Parcells found. Long is damaged and who knows what happens with him. I am going to sit back and watch the mess like this past year with the super FA signings, etc. You just don’t like it when anyone points out facts to you and that guy wrote facts not opinion.
Bill Parcells was scouting the CFL?
No. That’s about as valid as hindsight. It’s a waste. You have no endgame. Ireland is the 2013 GM.
Gigi,
But Parcell’s was also the guy who overpaid for Carey, Bell, Crowder, Dansby, and also thought because he was BP he could control the tempermental BM…..HAHA a BP controlling a BM……by giving him money and being the franchise overlord. Ireland is who he is and I haven’t truly hated his work since BP has been gone. With that being said, this is his chance to stake claim to a legacy with his weapons at his disposal or to stake claim to a Grey hound bus pass back to Dallas.
Orange Bowl is a bore fest. FSU should be up 21-3 but keep F’n up. NIU can’t do anything with the ball.
I’m not mad at anyone except Steve Ross for keeping Ireland, I say it now on January 1st huge mistake and I have ZERO faith he will get it right. If he proves me wrong I’ll be first to admit it. Sadly, I think I will be right.
Fair enough. I really do hope we can get along a bit better this year. I’ll give it my best effort. I know you love this team every bit as much as I do, and want whats best for it. It’s ok that we don’t agree on what IS best. Cheers.
Cheers Pro Lou, I give you a lot of shit, but obviously we do agree on some things.
I know I had Earl Thomas much higher than Odrick
but JPP wasn;t such a sure thing
but that is another DE that shot up the draft board (like Bruce Irvin and JJWatt)
the article is soaked in hindsight
it doesn’t mentiomn that the Dolphins went to that draft hoping to trade down
that the Chargers chose Ryan Matthwes with that pick
or that there wasn;t a 2nd round pick to take Gronk or Misi, if not for the trade down
after the trade down neither JPP nor Thomas was there
I actually wanted Rolando McClain that draft (who recently pointed a gun in some one’s face)
and many wanted Sergio Kindle (who immediatly fractured his skull) so Odrick and Misi are pretty solid reltively speaking
just not elite like JPP or Gronk
I think Ireland produces a lot of that
its low risk low reward
and that explains the lack of playmakes more than anything else to me
but I do think he indentifies the playmakers
so maybe he has learned from this…wishful thinking?
SOME THINGS NEVER SEEM TO CHANGE; The Big 10 continues to find ways to lose games on New Year’s Day. They’ve lost 9 of the last 10 Rose Bowls they’ve played in. Michigan’s gut-wrenching loss to “The Ole’ Ball Coach” right here in Tampa is typical. Local SEC types were hooting it up at a local sports bar as Michigan fans cursed away!!
In the immortal words of Beano Cook: “The Big 10 is like Spain; They’ve both had better days!”
Well, at least Northwestern broke their 9-game bowl losing streak. They had not won a bowl game since 1949. EVEN I’M not old enough to remember THAT game!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!! MAY all your fantasy Dolphin picks prove to be Dolphin All-Pros!
Time to walk the Greyhound and the Terrier. Great Grandpa is OUT!!
Peace OD.
Have a nice one my friend!
PS–High here today about 75; Low about 63. Not a cloud in the sky (unless you’re a Michigan fan). And STILL not a state or local income tax to be found anywhere in the Sunshine State – - – the home of our beloved Miami Dolphins.
Ken–Thanks for the kind words. Talk to all of you tomorrow!
We all can’t agree about everything it would be boring as hell if we did. Trust me, I want this team to do well and win as much as anyone, I just don’t think Ireland is who should be our GM. No offense to Jahn, Top or anyone that believe in him good for you guys, but I see things way differently just as I did with Sparano and Henne.
I am with you Gigi. Unfortunately we have Jeffy for another year so as I said above lets hope he gets it right this year. If we don’t win at least 8 games next year Jeffy’s job may be in jeopardy. I think he gets a pass this year with a rookie HC and rookie QB. Losing record next year and he could be in hot water.
One rumor during the coaching process was that Ireland wa pushing for Philbin while Peterson pushed for Fisher….I hate Fisher….He finally pulled the trigger on a QB, who is franchise worthy, in which I’m happy with. I thought he did damn well in the draft this year. I really do think with an HC who says I need a WR versus I need a meatball that we will get better players…..At least I hope.
You’ve got to think that, if there’s talent there at each pick that he ignores or chooses to go in a different direction and the team falls on it’s face he should definitely go. However, at #12 there’s got to be a guy that he can get that will be an immediate starter and contributor to this team; especially in some of the areas of need.
Meh, I was on your side later on in the Henne debate actually. I want to see 30 starts from a QB before I make up my mind for certain, but when I did, it was that Henne was a 1TD for 1TO QB.
In a nod to Walker, I DO think the guy showed a lot of grit his last season here before the injury, I just think ultimately, and as is proving now, he was a miss.
I personally believe that when it comes to evaluating talent and schemes the coaching staff and the scouts really have to work hand in hand…..Fuck what would you draft if Tony Sparano gave you his game plan? I think I would draft some Mueller’s whole grain pasta followed by the ALLI flush system. That being said I think Philbin and company have a clear picture of what they want and need and will work with the GM to get it.
LOL
what was the pasta’s 40 time?
Piggy,
It also doesn’t mention that Gronk was passsed over because teams were worried that his hip condition might limit his career.
I remmebr that hip condition too
The patshad multiple 2nd round picks
worth the risk I guess
and Belicheat has always loved TEs
He’s cornered the market on them since he took the NE job. I wont forget he signe Fauria, Graham, and then drafted Ben Watson on top of it. Multiple TE set’s is the way to destroy the blitz and get big plays versus the safeties if you have good ones.
Jason La Canfora@JasonLaCanfora
Andy Reid will interview with the Cardinals tomorrow.
That was an excellent job by Moore on that catch. That’s why I like the potential of this guy so much.
We can agree on everything
I don;t know what you guys are talking about
it just takes a little Oink
thenthe world will be a better place
Fumbles and dropped passes. FSU should be killing NIU. They are killing themselves with mistakes.
Honestly, I don’t care who we draft as long as they have a name I can pronounce and spell
Cordarelle? Really? How am I supposed to root for him?
May as well be drunk Iron Butterfly saying “In the Garden of Eden”
its just not going to come together for me
Call him… “Cordy”…
In da gada of Cordy…I guess I can get used to that
LMAO. Great reference. I love Iron Butterfly.
TD FSU. 11 point lead with 30 to go. Should be ball game with NIU’s offensive inability.
Back to work for me tomorrow. I am going to get some sleep. Peace to you all.
Later Ken
LOL@ Piggy, remember in the Simpsons when Bart replaced the hymnal song with that one and the church organist collapsed after she finished playing it?
Cheers Ken.
Night all
Just for the record so hindsight is not a factor, players I would be happy with:
Werner
Jones
Milliner
Moore
Mingo
Matthews
Warmack
Cooper
Richardson
Montgomery
Rhodes
J. Williams
T. Williams
Austin
Patterson
Hopkins
Poyer
Minter
Hunter
Rogers
Wheaton
Hunt
Reed
Bailey
Taylor
Rambo
A. Bailey
Ghoulston
McFadden
Bell
Goodman
Rick Wagner
Barner
Pryor
Reddick
Hyde
Uzzi
Mathieu
Lewis-Moore
Vellano
Melvin White
Marquise Goodwin
Sunseri
Martel Moore
Tenarius Wright
That’s it for now.